What does it mean to be a good citizen of...

[henry quirk]

...so look to that section for more on Golgotha.

I welcome comments and criticism on the posts.

And if this half-assed exercise in world-building actually turns into sumthin' published, damn straight and and all who participate constructively will get credited in 'acknowledgments' (but I ain't givin' you a single friggin' dime).

[Arising_uk]

...so look to that section for more on Golgotha.

I welcome comments and criticism on the posts.

And if this half-assed exercise in world-building actually turns into sumthin' published, damn straight and and all who participate constructively will get credited in 'acknowledgments' (but I ain't givin' you a single friggin' dime).

Ken Macleod pretty much already covered this, as have a couple of other Sci-Fi writers in the last decade but I look forward to seeing if you can come-up with an interesting slant or tale.

[henry quirk]

Murray Leinster, Larry Niven, Eric F. Russell, etc.

'Anarchists/liberarians in Space!' is an old trope.

Don't know that I'll add anything new to this peculiar kind of Space Opera.

meh

At best: I entertain you folks with my lil posts (and make a few bucks down the road).

At worst: I only entertain myself.

Win-Win to me.

[henry quirk]

Well, Common, some folks just don't want play nice, so tomorrow I'll copy what I need from *this and it's sibling thread and then ask Amod to delete both.

If, by way of private messages, you (or anyone) wants an update on Golgotha, let me know.









*is your thread, Common and it should stand...apologies for the misstep.

[Greta]

There could be arrests for breaking the law—what happens to the culprits?

Yes, that's where the story can kick off.

On Golatha there is no police force so everyone would be armed. Breaking the law - being a busybody - results in first a warning and secondly being shot dead on the spot by the victim of the intrusion. Independent people taking care of themselves.

However, one of the Golathans has been heard to be shooting people for theft, using the false pretext that he was victim of busybody attacks. So a group of local vigilantes, not buying his cock-and-bull story, shoot the killer.

The killer's family, enraged, swear vengeance against this intrusion into their clan and call friendly clans together to avenge the memory of their loved one. From there, hostilities build until a great war ensues and the planet is engulfed in hostilities. Each side suffers catastrophic losses.

In time, there are not enough energetic and motivated combatants to keep up the fight and the war fizzles out. In the blighted and ruined landscape, the few survivors find great opportunity as rebuilding commences. Industry boomed and, without being crammed up with so many other Golathans the new breed enjoyed an unprecedented period of prosperity and innovation.

To that end, they brought about a new statute that outlawed intrusions into others' business and ...

[henry quirk]

Very nice, Greta.

Not the way it happened (was gonna post a bit of history tonight or tomorrw, but Veg soured the public world buildin' for me) but a good interpretation..

Thanks for that.

[gaffo]

Interesting post, Gaff. You seem to favor a communal view of citizenship, unlike Henry Q's individual-focused perspective. I'd conjecture that Hank prefers law and order over social programs and charitable handouts. On the other hand, I'd guess the opposite is true for you. In general terms, could I be getting it right?

yes correct.

but i;m an odd duck, in that i'd fight for individuality - am in unconformist fully personally,

and affirm all the non economic views of Libertarians (love and affirm our Constitution, Natural Law Rights of man (right to kill in self defence/right to liberty/etc (person said such).

I also fully FULLY believe in Jury Pardon/Nullication (as ALL the founding fathers (all of whom i respect as wise men) did) as BOTH a right of personal conscience to "judge both the facts and the law" (quote from John Jay as SC justice on the bench in late 18th century) concerning the accused.

i.e. I hate immoral laws, and if were a juror in a case where i know the accussed was quilty, i would reject the immoral law via my conscience and render a virdic of innocence.

I'm outside of either Party today sadly - i was aligned with the Dems 30 yrs ago (fully universal humanist - pro assimilation, pro-melting pot, anti rasict (but view all Americans should view themselves as Americans First!.............the women, black, gay.etc a distant second..............)

I HATE indentity politics and view all of it as tribalism. Black Americans that view "Black culture" and their "Blackness" are no different than whites that do the same - both folks choose thier tribe over being American!

my former Democratic party threw me and my melting pot/universal humanism under the bus with Clinton sadly.

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back to Jury Pardon/Nullification (before i forget) - it serves two roles - both as a Liberal Liberarian (or Old Fossil Democrat) I value both:

1. a affirmation of the Nature Law right of the individual on the jury box to affirm his conscience (ignoring LAW if need be)
2. a check upon the Power of the Judiciary - to check its power to inforce laws the majority now longer affirm (legalization of Slavery on olden times/Pot laws today.................folks on juries ignored those laws (not big on pot myself(but if that is the folks will ok by me/sl;avery is a no brainer today - but not so much back then)

I hate Authoritarianism myself, but not too big in the collective either.....................the latter is better than the former, but i'm moreso into championing individualism.

what i hate about the Republican Party is both its Authoritarianism (Fascism basically - which is the opposite of Individualism/Liberty), and it's denial of any legitimacy of Government.

as a Libertarian, I'm for limiting the power of gov (but unlike Reichbugs today) - not for "killing the beast".

I'm for a small gov (power corrupts!!!!!!!!!!!!! (that includes corporate power - which is greater than gov power now and which the Reichbugs refuse to see as equally bad), but one that is able to break up economic monopolies, defend the environment.


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and finally as an individual i do think a "collective" mindset per one town/nieghborhood s something we need to resurrect (something we lost with the 2 parent workforce 50 yrs ago) - no one know their neighbor anymore (our nation is a "house divided" per own individual island mentality sadly - and that make America weak and sick culturally).

I have a garden in my front yard - and tell all who walk by they are welcome to pick any fruit they wish (and they do - i grow far more than i can eat).

I also (like a fool tilting at windmills/corporate power (Iheartradio formerly clear channel) broadcast a 17 watt FM station for anyone within a mile that happens to find me on their dial. I';ve been a "Free radio" advicate (and spoke with a couple of notables years ago via usenet) for 20 yrs now.

90 percent OTR/NTR (newtime- radiodramas).................audio dramas like X-Minus One, Nightfall, Gunsmoke. (and 50 others) - check internet archive if you have no knowledge of this artform.

its a lost and forgotten artform here sadly - i just feel called to try to keep the knowledge that there used to be great works of art and maybe will be again - via my humble illegal radiostation.

BTW i've run accross 9 or so since the 1990s - in TX and here where i am now. in fact in my town we had one in 2001 for a year (was raided by Federal marshalls and shut down), another in 2005 for a few months, another 20 miles north of me in 2005 or a few months, and another in same city from 2008-20013 or so,................and right now (I tracked down one - knocked on his door and had a nice chat last year) there is on in that city 20 mile north of me on 87.9 (spanish), and two others 70 miles north of me (one on 87.9 also and other on 90.1) - the latter two (the former was the one i found and talked to) play GREAT stuff -from 40's blues to Reggie to Bob Dillon stuff. stuff corporate radio is too balless to bother playing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RAW62uM0ls

87.9 played this one - never heard it before, but loved it...........then found the guy who ran the station .

thank for reply Sir.

[gaffo]

Obey the Law or argue your case in court, pay your taxes, assist another citizen in distress.

"an unjust law is no law"

Lysander Spooner.

[gaffo]

...so look to that section for more on Golgotha.

I welcome comments and criticism on the posts.

And if this half-assed exercise in world-building actually turns into sumthin' published, damn straight and and all who participate constructively will get credited in 'acknowledgments' (but I ain't givin' you a single friggin' dime).

Ken Macleod pretty much already covered this, as have a couple of other Sci-Fi writers in the last decade but I look forward to seeing if you can come-up with an interesting slant or tale.

Sci Fi has not been worth shit since the 60's (nor have movies or TV for that matter).

All the Sci f Gods - Heinlein, Azimov, Bradbury, Clarke (and the 20 or so smaller Gods of that era),

are long dead - and still run circles around what passes for Sci Fi the last 30 yrs or so.

[Arising_uk]

Sci Fi has not been worth shit since the 60's (nor have movies or TV for that matter).

All the Sci f Gods - Heinlein, Azimov, Bradbury, Clarke (and the 20 or so smaller Gods of that era),

are long dead - and still run circles around what passes for Sci Fi the last 30 yrs or so.

Well it's true that it's not as popular as it once was but there has been a brilliant crop of new Sci-Fi authors over the last decade or so and the Chinese, Asians and Africans are producing some very interesting takes on the genre especially some of the female ones.

[henry quirk]

Gaffo has a point...there's an awful lot of garabage being marketed at science fiction that ain't nuthin' but *propaganda.

That's why I mostly stick to the writers Gaffo mentioned, and the ones I named up-thread.









*good (bad?) example: a piece wherein the sci fi element is it rains on anyone who sits down...this event is never explained or really explored...it merely provides the setting within which the protagonist decides to 'come out' to his family. This kinda stuff is considered 'socially conscious', and mebbe it is...what it isn't is science fiction.

[commonsense]

*good (bad?) example: a piece wherein the sci fi element is it rains on anyone who sits down...this event is never explained or really explored...it merely provides the setting within which the protagonist decides to 'come out' to his family. This kinda stuff is considered 'socially conscious', and mebbe it is...what it isn't is science fiction.

As long as the imagination of sci-fi authors produces new scenarios, there will be a possibility for good sci-fi to be written. I am hopeful that that possibility will be made real, Henry.

Looking forward to reading the story that overlays your thoroughly constructed background material.

[henry quirk]

I'll be happy just to set up a skeleton, a framework.

I can hang the meat on the thing in the actual writing.

[gaffo]

Gaffo has a point...there's an awful lot of garabage being marketed at science fiction that ain't nuthin' but *propaganda.

That's why I mostly stick to the writers Gaffo mentioned, and the ones I named up-thread.









*good (bad?) example: a piece wherein the sci fi element is it rains on anyone who sits down...this event is never explained or really explored...it merely provides the setting within which the protagonist decides to 'come out' to his family. This kinda stuff is considered 'socially conscious', and mebbe it is...what it isn't is science fiction.

good to concur on this - though sadly we don't on other matters, but oh well - last good author in Sci Fiction IMO would be Card's Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead (82/86).............his latter works (including within this series) sadly went off the rails.

Xencide(sp) was crap.


I will say the same for Azimov's Foundation series (his Trilogy (written in the 50's) was top grade - but his latter contunation of - written in the 80's was garbage - sadly. ;-(.


Philip Farmer, Walter Miller Jr (sole work Canticle for Leiborwitz (the Radioplay is as good as the book - if you can find it, uploaded it via my own audioCD set of via usenet 15 yrs ago and it lives on as a torrent in 168 bit rate mp3 if you can find it (ZBS foundation stopped selling it shortly after i bought it and why i uploaded to usenet all those yrs ago (I thank all the folks that got my encde and then torrented them for others to find))- early 60's - and maybe the best scif work of ALL TIME!!!! - and damn near forgotten today sadly).

[Arising_uk]

Try these to get up to date...
Greg Bear.
Greg Egan.
Rudy Rucker.
Iain M Banks.
Ken Macleod.
Alastair Reynolds
Jeff Noon.
Richard K. Morgan.
Liu Cixin.
Octavia Butler.
Karen Lord.
Kim Stanley Robinson.
Neal Stephenson.
Peter F Hamilton.
Cory Doctorow.
William Gibson.
Charles Stross.
Vernor Vinge.
Sue Burke.

And so many more.