God made Satan, Sin and Evil

[QuantumT]

According to theists, everything derives from God.

Even the explanation of rebellion fails, because the act of rebellion was made possible by God. He even had the foresight to see it happen!

In the book of Job, long time after the expulsion from Eden, Satan was a servant at Gods disposal.

So anyway you put it, everthing derives from God , even evil , sin and Satan !!!

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everthing derives from God , even evil , sin and Satan !!!

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[attofishpi]

According to theists, everything derives from God.

Even the explanation of rebellion fails, because the act of rebellion was made possible by God. He even had the foresight to see it happen!

In the book of Job, long time after the expulsion from Eden, Satan was a servant at Gods disposal.

So anyway you put it, everthing derives from God , even evil , sin and Satan !!!

...and?

All the stupid emotis aside, what's your point?

So it made sin possible via free will...again what is your point?

[gaffo]

According to theists, everything derives from God.

Even the explanation of rebellion fails, because the act of rebellion was made possible by God. He even had the foresight to see it happen!

In the book of Job, long time after the expulsion from Eden, Satan was a servant at Gods disposal.

So anyway you put it, everthing derives from God , even evil , sin and Satan !!!

yep. not to mention Belial (Satan/Ahriman) did not exist as a deity in Judaism!!!!!!!! - and why Satan is not mentioned AT ALL in the Torah (which was written before the Jews were jailed in Babylon and incorporated their pagan evil deity Ahrimen as one of thier own in 550 BC).

in fact there is a referece in the Torah of YHWH stating clearly "I am good, yet create evil".................and in fact does evil Himself in the Torah - He does not need nor have a henchman (Satan) to do his dirty work.

the latter henchman shows up centuries later - in the Minor Prophet's section of newer Old Testament works.

[gaffo]

According to theists, everything derives from God.

Even the explanation of rebellion fails, because the act of rebellion was made possible by God. He even had the foresight to see it happen!

In the book of Job, long time after the expulsion from Eden, Satan was a servant at Gods disposal.

So anyway you put it, everthing derives from God , even evil , sin and Satan !!!

...and?

All the stupid emotis aside, what's your point?

So it made sin possible via free will...again what is your point?

freewill smeewill - that arguement is so hackneed.

there is no freewill first of all, and second what is free willed about some inherited sin (which is an incorrect interpretation of the "Fall" by Christians these last 2000 yrs), where the offspring are somehow inheriting thier ancestor's prior actions/"sin". sounds like predestination to me sir.

[attofishpi]

According to theists, everything derives from God.

Even the explanation of rebellion fails, because the act of rebellion was made possible by God. He even had the foresight to see it happen!

In the book of Job, long time after the expulsion from Eden, Satan was a servant at Gods disposal.

So anyway you put it, everthing derives from God , even evil , sin and Satan !!!

...and?

All the stupid emotis aside, what's your point?

So it made sin possible via free will...again what is your point?

freewill smeewill - that arguement is so hackneed.

there is no freewill first of all, and second what is free willed about some inherited sin (which is an incorrect interpretation of the "Fall" by Christians these last 2000 yrs), where the offspring are somehow inheriting thier ancestor's prior actions/"sin". sounds like predestination to me sir.

I've had > 20yrs of direct interaction with God...to think it would bother setting up 10 commandments if wo/man have no free will smacks in the face of rationality on such matters. Things are not predetermined where intelligent consciousness is concerned.

[Lacewing]

I've had > 20yrs of direct interaction with God...

What's your point for saying that?

Do you think it's a statement of your credibility for something?

[attofishpi]

I've had > 20yrs of direct interaction with God...

What's your point for saying that?

That i've had > 20yrs of direct interaction with God? The bit that you omitted from your quote of me.

Do you think it's a statement of your credibility for something?

Yes, the bit you omitted. That God would not bother setting up 10 commandments if wo/man have no free will.

PS. Why do i always have to spell things out for you?

[Greta]

The mystics observed "As above, so below". So the obvious answer is that God fucked up here and there.

Thus, ever since those first Divine Fuckups, every organism since has been doomed to also sometimes fuck up. The error is the the basic pattern inherent in the the initial state of creation around which all things emerged.

The Easterners claimed that the divine utterance was "Om", but they were wrong - it was actually "Oops", the true fundamental vibration underpinning all of creation!

Come on, you know it's true - just look around and you can see the principle in play everywhere

[Sir-Sister-of-Suck]

According to theists, everything derives from God.

Even the explanation of rebellion fails, because the act of rebellion was made possible by God. He even had the foresight to see it happen!

Well that is a pretty contested thing among theists. According to some, he has something known as inherent omniscience.

In the book of Job, long time after the expulsion from Eden, Satan was a servant at Gods disposal.

So anyway you put it, everthing derives from God , even evil , sin and Satan !!!

The problem that I've always had with the problem of evil, is that atheists usually don't do a good job of phrasing it as a logically valid argument. It often ends up being an argument from ignorance because they don't show how it's necessarily true, and that would just lead the reasonable theist to make a counter-argument from skeptical theism

[HexHammer]

According to theists, everything derives from God.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Tv2vY3ga3g
If you look back in history, bible has been rewritten and inspired from the Judean Thora, which was inspired from the Babylons etc etc .........or something like that don't quote me on that.

[Dubious]

The mystics observed "As above, so below". So the obvious answer is that God fucked up here and there.

Thus, ever since those first Divine Fuckups, every organism since has been doomed to also sometimes fuck up. The error is the the basic pattern inherent in the the initial state of creation around which all things emerged.

The Easterners claimed that the divine utterance was "Om", but they were wrong - it was actually "Oops", the true fundamental vibration underpinning all of creation!

Come on, you know it's true - just look around and you can see the principle in play everywhere

You'll never get anyone to admit the blatantly obvious...not on this site. If there were a god the ONLY thing we would owe it is the middle finger without getting personal!

[Greta]

The mystics observed "As above, so below". So the obvious answer is that God fucked up here and there.

Thus, ever since those first Divine Fuckups, every organism since has been doomed to also sometimes fuck up. The error is the the basic pattern inherent in the the initial state of creation around which all things emerged.

The Easterners claimed that the divine utterance was "Om", but they were wrong - it was actually "Oops", the true fundamental vibration underpinning all of creation!

Come on, you know it's true - just look around and you can see the principle in play everywhere

You'll never get anyone to admit the blatantly obvious...not on this site. If there were a god the ONLY thing we would owe it is the middle finger without getting personal!

Haha!

We have it all wrong. The Earth and Moon are our demigods and the Sun is God, but it's also a demigod subject to the greater deity - supermassive black hole Sagittarius A*. Our galaxy's centre which fulfils all criteria for God:

- it created us and our "universe" (galaxies are like universes at human time scales anyway)
- it is ineffable and mysterious
- it is in another realm - the insides of black holes are locked off from the rest of the universe, each effectively being a universe of its own
- it could smite us down at any time with a gamma ray burst
- we have a bit of it within everything. Quarks are the closest thing in baryonic matter to singularities such as is within black holes (quasi-singularities? we don't know)

The nature of our true deity, though, is such that It is unlikely to care much that some homininds on the Orion Spur of the Orion arm believe in a self-reflecting deity. Others, such as the maker of the animation you posted, posit that God sucks, and Sag A* is certainly guilty of that on a grand scale!

[Dubious]

We have it all wrong. The Earth and Moon are our demigods and the Sun is God, but it's also a demigod subject to the greater deity - supermassive black hole Sagittarius A*. Our galaxy's centre which fulfils all criteria for God:

- it created us and our "universe" (galaxies are like universes at human time scales anyway)
- it is ineffable and mysterious
- it is in another realm - the insides of black holes are locked off from the rest of the universe, each effectively being a universe of its own
- it could smite us down at any time with a gamma ray burst
- we have a bit of it within everything. Quarks are the closest thing in baryonic matter to singularities such as is within black holes (quasi-singularities? we don't know)

It's hard to imagine how the ancients would have mythologized these "stranger modulations of divinity" had they understood even some of it. Certainly the Abrahamanic barbarisms would not have been its conclusion or even the trending motive of the following millenniums. The history of the West in consequence would have been very different from what actually followed; the degrees of separation between what could have been and what was or is, impossible to calculate.

The nature of our true deity, though, is such that It is unlikely to care much that some homininds on the Orion Spur of the Orion arm believe in a self-reflecting deity. Others, such as the maker of the animation you posted, posit that God sucks, and Sag A* is certainly guilty of that on a grand scale!

Could it be that god took on more than it could handle (a very human trait) and also got sucked in? Maybe that's the reason for its total incognito.

[Lacewing]

I've had > 20yrs of direct interaction with God...

What's your point for saying that?

That i've had > 20yrs of direct interaction with God? The bit that you omitted from your quote of me.

Do you think it's a statement of your credibility for something?

Yes, the bit you omitted. That God would not bother setting up 10 commandments if wo/man have no free will.

The part I left off didn't seem important for my question to you because you've pointed out your years of direct interaction with God before -- and it seems like a statement that stands on its own, doesn't it? Like you think that's significant, or something. So why don't you stop being a big baby about an unnecessary part of the sentence being left out -- and admit that you use that line for some kind of fantasy credibility in all kinds of discussions?