Religion vs science

[commonsense]

You haven't been keeping up with the news.
PhilX

Post some links please.

I normally don't post links due to copyright concerns. Also you could claim I'm artificially stacking the deck in my favor. For starters, google curing diseases. You'll see stories about scientists trying to make permanent human life through vaccines and other means. Also google human longevity.

I ran a number of searches on Wikipedia and Google for longevity before asking you to direct me, via internet links, to the news you referenced.

I did not find reports of scientists actively seeking an infinite lifespan. I did learn that scientists believe, in theory, that individual human cells seem to be designed to last ~165 yrs before dying. I also found articles about scientists believing that, theoretically, human longevity could be limitless, as well as articles reporting that scientists have proved that limitless longevity is impossible.

I did not research anything about vaccines or curing disease, because a disease-free human would not have infinite longevity unless the individual cells had a limitless lifespan. In other words, limitless immunity is not the same as limitless life.

One thing that I did not find was a theory that a human could be cloned and re-cloned ad infinitum. However, this would beg the question whether a cloned human is a new human or a continuation of the previous human.

Hence, I was curious to see the articles that you read, especially those you indicated I hadn't kept up with. You are rather adept at argumentation and as such I expect you've been reading some interesting articles.

So, I guess I need to ask you again to direct me to the source material that informed your position. In other words, when it comes to human longevity, put up or shut up.

[commonsense]

Philosophy Explorer, are you talking about Transhumanism, when you say scientists are working on extending life spans of humans to infinity? At this point that is more of a theory, not even, more like a wishful fiction.

Yes. However has it ever been proven that those limitations exist? I know the numbers are extremely high against living beyond 115 years, but human longevity has steadily improved through vaccination, antibiotics and other means. Many stories are coming out about reverse aging, etc.

From personal experience, I can tell you that selling is NOT a natural talent to give you an area where science is fluid. You should expect the same with human longevity.

Yes, over and over again, everytime someone dies.

[commonsense]

[I think the word is "proved."]

[commonsense]

Oh, fuck. Another one who can't conceptualize meaning.

The more there are who cannot fathom your meaning, the more likely you are confused than they.

I know there is global warming happening. That's why I don't believe in it, you twit. I know it.

If you had expressed yourself clearly, you would not need to explain your meaning now.

Belief is weak knowledge. Knowledge is strong knowledge. Why would I employ weak knowledge when I already possess strong knowledge?

Most would say that knowledge is neither weak nor strong and that belief needs no knowledge as it is based on faith.

That's the way you ought to have seen what I wrote.

That may be how you saw what you wrote. Others who are not privy to your special use of words would not be able to see it the way you did.

Why, oh why, do I get bombarded with weak understanders of the English language? You guys: Averroes, PhilEx, and now you, VT. Why can't you spread yourselves out on some other hapless blokes, why do you all descend on me? You strike up incredibly pointed discussions on the basis of your poor language comprehension.

Your peculiar usage of language makes it more likely that you are the one who lacks comprehension.

Et tu, Brut.

Brut is an obnoxious cologne. What Caesar said was, "Et tu, Brute" as 'Brute' is the appropriate declension of 'Brutus' in Latin.

But why ME always? Three so far, this week.

Again, you have a problem with 3 people and 3 or more people have a problem with you. It would seem more likely that you are the problem.

Well, there is a new week next week starting tomorrow. Maybe my luck will improve.

Fortes fortuna iuvat.

[Philosophy Explorer]

Post some links please.

I normally don't post links due to copyright concerns. Also you could claim I'm artificially stacking the deck in my favor. For starters, google curing diseases. You'll see stories about scientists trying to make permanent human life through vaccines and other means. Also google human longevity.

I ran a number of searches on Wikipedia and Google for longevity before asking you to direct me, via internet links, to the news you referenced.

I did not find reports of scientists actively seeking an infinite lifespan. I did learn that scientists believe, in theory, that individual human cells seem to be designed to last ~165 yrs before dying. I also found articles about scientists believing that, theoretically, human longevity could be limitless, as well as articles reporting that scientists have proved that limitless longevity is impossible.

I did not research anything about vaccines or curing disease, because a disease-free human would not have infinite longevity unless the individual cells had a limitless lifespan. In other words, limitless immunity is not the same as limitless life.

One thing that I did not find was a theory that a human could be cloned and re-cloned ad infinitum. However, this would beg the question whether a cloned human is a new human or a continuation of the previous human.

Hence, I was curious to see the articles that you read, especially those you indicated I hadn't kept up with. You are rather adept at argumentation and as such I expect you've been reading some interesting articles.

So, I guess I need to ask you again to direct me to the source material that informed your position. In other words, when it comes to human longevity, put up or shut up.

You are pretending to be unable to find reports indicating that scientists are looking to make humans immortal as those reports are easily found. I will not play your game.

PhilX

[commonsense]

Phil, I pretend nothing. Show me what you found.

[Philosophy Explorer]

Phil, I pretend nothing. Show me what you found.

Show me the search terms you've tried.

PhilX

[SBE]

As hard as it seems, it's clear that we will need to bridge these two paradigms some how. These two sides can be associated with our left and right side of our brains. Does this mean we might go schizo some times? Yeah. I believe this struggle with these clear opposites affects us both outside and inside. Who wants to be a half wit? Surely we could agree that it would be better to use all of our brain. Thus a need to bridge these two paradigms.
I'm also very weary about AI. There has to be a balance with technology and wisdom. I'm not sure where we stand in that, not very good I feel. If you ever wondered how such horrible beings can exist in the higher realms? They do it with technology.

[Philosophy Explorer]

As hard as it seems, it's clear that we will need to bridge these two paradigms some how. These two sides can be associated with our left and right side of our brains. Does this mean we might go schizo some times? Yeah. I believe this struggle with these clear opposites affects us both outside and inside. Who wants to be a half wit? Surely we could agree that it would be better to use all of our brain. Thus a need to bridge these two paradigms.
I'm also very weary about AI. There has to be a balance with technology and wisdom. I'm not sure where we stand in that, not very good I feel. If you ever wondered how such horrible beings can exist in the higher realms? They do it with technology.

Left- and right-side brained? Can you cite any studies?

PhilX

[commonsense]

Show me the search terms you've tried.
PhilX

longevity, lifespan, life expectancy, permanent, infinite, limitless, immortality, human, science, scientists

[commonsense]

You are pretending to be unable to find reports indicating that scientists are looking to make humans immortal as those reports are easily found. I will not play your game.

How do you have access to my intentions?

There are reports that scientists are predicting limitless lifespans, but none indicating that anyone is looking to, or attempting to, make humans immortal. There are reports from some scientists that human immortality is impossible and from other scientists that it is possible.

[Philosophy Explorer]

You are pretending to be unable to find reports indicating that scientists are looking to make humans immortal as those reports are easily found. I will not play your game.

How do you have access to my intentions?

There are reports that scientists are predicting limitless lifespans, but none indicating that anyone is looking to, or attempting to, make humans immortal. There are reports from some scientists that human immortality is impossible and from other scientists that it is possible.

Every time the scientists are trying to extend human lifespans, it can be expected they trying to achieve human immortality as humans won't be satisfied with less.

PhilX

[commonsense]

Commonsense asked: "Since when is science trying to make life permanent?"
You haven't been keeping up with the news.

Where is there news that scientists are not simply discussing pro and con the possibility of permanent life,
but are actually trying to create permanent life?

[commonsense]

You are pretending to be unable to find reports indicating that scientists are looking to make humans immortal as those reports are easily found. I will not play your game.

How do you have access to my intentions?

There are reports that scientists are predicting limitless lifespans, but none indicating that anyone is looking to, or attempting to, make humans immortal. There are reports from some scientists that human immortality is impossible and from other scientists that it is possible.

Every time the scientists are trying to extend human lifespans, it can be expected they trying to achieve human immortality as humans won't be satisfied with less.

Baloney. An extended lifespan is not the same thing as an infinite lifespan.

[Philosophy Explorer]

How do you have access to my intentions?

There are reports that scientists are predicting limitless lifespans, but none indicating that anyone is looking to, or attempting to, make humans immortal. There are reports from some scientists that human immortality is impossible and from other scientists that it is possible.

Every time the scientists are trying to extend human lifespans, it can be expected they trying to achieve human immortality as humans won't be satisfied with less.

Baloney. An extended lifespan is not the same thing as an infinite lifespan.

The scientists are always trying to extend human lifespans. Once immortality is achieved, then the scientists won't need to keep extending.

PhilX