Prostitution and Eternal Values

[Dontaskme]

I am neither a mystic nor have I taken psychedelic drugs to change my brain-mind. I know of no studies of such experienced subjects that correlate their "oceanic" experience with eternal values.

That's because there aren't any.

Of course I would like this to be so!

Well guess what..tag you're ALREADY THE SO ...the empty concept here that puts the concept there.

But we all know that ..one simply cannot get there from here.

But I am enjoying your philosophical intelligence Belinda

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[Dontaskme]

It would seem that Kant was not a mystic or psychedelic.

Narh, probably not..he's just another nobody like everyone else.

Jest because I agree with you in some matters does not mean I agree with you all together. Kant was cleverer than you or me. You write an awful lot of thoughtless guff.

I know..I've been doing it all my life, so what else is new.

Great minds like a think.

I like to leave no answer unquestioned.

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for goodness sake put me down

[Dontaskme]

How can "eternal values" and "universal truths" be anything other than notions made-up by humans? Why in the world we think we know of such things is fascinating.

Hello

I'm just popping in with a little reminder that you may have forgotten about.

Human is a notion too.



I second that e notion ...signed God...aka no one.

[Arising_uk]

What's this ''inner'' you talk about?

My apologies I misunderstood this "There is no external world separate from the inner world, there is no room to make such an approach to either except through ''thought'' which is non-locatable as well."

What is a thought to you then? As to me it's a sequence of images, sounds and 'feelings' which are clearly locatable with me.

Don't understand your "eye" reply. What did you mean by the "eye"? As for me the eye is the squishy thing that allows me to perceive things in an external world. If you don't believe there is an external world how would you explain a scooter phone mugging if it happened to you?

[Arising_uk]

This is old news to me..but allow me to be very clear and precise about this..the knower of such knowledge is the unknowable known...that's the only clarity worth knowing about.

Clear as mud really and a contradiction to boot so always false but each to their own.

[Dontaskme]

What's this ''inner'' you talk about?

My apologies I misunderstood this "There is no external world separate from the inner world, there is no room to make such an approach to either except through ''thought'' which is non-locatable as well."

What is a thought to you then? As to me it's a sequence of images, sounds and 'feelings' which are clearly locatable with me.

Don't understand your "eye" reply. What did you mean by the "eye"? As for me the eye is the squishy thing that allows me to perceive things in an external world. If you don't believe there is an external world how would you explain a scooter phone mugging if it happened to you?

Oh god not again...muggings just happen to no one, meaning muggings although they appear to happen to people don't actually happen to people, they just happen to no one...know one...you have to know one to be one....one one one one one aka no one.... How many more times do I have to repeat this nonsense to you..?

Look, please stop concerning yourself with my nonsense...I only talk about nothing, I love talking about nothing, it's the only thing I know anything about...if you want to know something, dontaskme, or expect dontaskme to give you what you are looking for, if you what to know something, you'll just have to go back to school..isn't that the place where your supposed to learn knowledge? why you asking me..I know nothing.

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[Dontaskme]

Clear as mud really and a contradiction to boot so always false but each to their own.

No mud is not clear..you have to let the mud settle before the liquid mind becomes clear.

Atta boy..now we learning something new, each to their own. There is only you...and your world the way you perceive it..you have no access to another mind.

Nothing can be false without clarity to compare it to. Complimentary opposites. Can't have one without the other..they are conjoined twins.

[Arising_uk]

No mud is not clear..you have to let the mud settle before the liquid mind becomes clear.

Let me know when you settle then.

Atta boy..now we learning something new, each to their own. There is only you...and your world the way you perceive it..you have no access to another mind.

Of course I do, its called Language.

Nothing can be false without clarity to compare it to. Complimentary opposites. Can't have one without the other..they are conjoined twins.

All contradictions are always false.

[Dontaskme]

Let me know when you settle then.

Well you don't need me to let you know that..you can know that yourself when I stop showing up.

Of course I do, its called Language.

That's what I said.

All contradictions are always false.

All falsities are true.

[Arising_uk]

Well you don't need me to let you know that..you can know that yourself when I stop showing up.

I'll bear that in mind.

That's what I said.

So you agree that because of language one can know another's mind?

All falsities are true.

Well that one isn't.

[Dontaskme]

So you agree that because of language one can know another's mind?

Yes I agree.

But only in the sense of the concept known.

The concept ''mind'' is known..but no one has ever seen a concept mind.

It's knowledge known..there is nothing happening outside of language.

Take away known concepts and what is known?

The eye does not see the mind, the eye sees the word mind...in other words there is no mind...but the word.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Oh God here I go again preaching to the choir epiphany.

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[Arising_uk]

It's knowledge known..there is nothing happening outside of language.

Take away known concepts and what is known? ...

Perception and sensation but it depends what is meant by "known" and you clearly have a different meaning from its norm.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

No idea what this 'God' thing is?

[Dontaskme]

Perception and sensation but it depends what is meant by "known" and you clearly have a different meaning from its norm.

Oh really..what the heck are you talking about man...perception and sensation what the heck does that even mean..except as they are known by given meaning to the concepts. That's what ''known'' means.

No idea what this 'God' thing is?

It's a label.

For example...when shopping in a supermarket, it is wise to go for cans and packets of foods that have labels on them informing you what they are..else it would be like a box of chocolates..you'd never know what you are going to get.

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[Dontaskme]

Perception and sensation but it depends what is meant by "known" and you clearly have a different meaning from its norm.

Define norm?

The marks 'norm' as the letters inform appears and meaning arises.

The meaning related to these marks or any other marks, eg 'consciousness' is not 'who' sees the marks and knows the associated meaning.

That which is, is not the meaning that arises. It sees the marks and knows the meaning.

It does not disappear... it never appears.

It neither comes nor goes.

Here it is.



Not in the marks on the apparent screen

Not in the meaning ascribed to them.

Not in the imagined mind of some imagined poster.

But right here right now seeing these very marks and knowing the meaning ascribed to them.

Can you describe who it is who sees and knows?

You cannot?

[Lacewing]

How can "eternal values" and "universal truths" be anything other than notions made-up by humans? Why in the world we think we know of such things is fascinating.

I'm just popping in with a little reminder that you may have forgotten about. Human is a notion too.

Yes, I agree. Did you really think I wouldn't? If you weren't so addicted to "telling", maybe you would hear/notice better? There is a lot that you and I see in similar ways. That has been obvious to me. I simply find your loopy word salads uninteresting to interact with... regardless of any "truths" tangled within. Just not my preference, as it is yours (apparently). Also, as I've said before, I'm suspicious of your methodology because I think it is often a separatist dance that you are doing... in the way that, say, religion might do... representing itself as "the knower of all answers" to be told to "others" who are "not".