Race versus culture

[OuterLimits]

... However what I can't stand is when liberals pretend that blacks are intellectually equals to the Whites. ...

And yet in my country the poorest performers are the white boys, how do you explain this?

Where do you find that information. In the US there are black immigrants, and there are the "sons of slaves" and the outcomes of these 2 groups are very different. In the UK who does the best, who does the worst, and where were they born?

[Arising_uk]

Where do you find that information. In the US there are black immigrants, and there are the "sons of slaves" and the outcomes of these 2 groups are very different. In the UK who does the best, who does the worst, and where were they born?

Given your reply and questions we're probably on the same page here, so UK govt educational statistics but here's a broadsheet article giving the basics -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-filt ... chool.html

[OuterLimits]

Where do you find that information. In the US there are black immigrants, and there are the "sons of slaves" and the outcomes of these 2 groups are very different. In the UK who does the best, who does the worst, and where were they born?

Given your reply and questions we're probably on the same page here, so UK govt educational statistics but here's a broadsheet article giving the basics -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-filt ... chool.html

Interestingly, I don't see the breakdown of non-whites by birth location. It is a common experience around the world that generally immigrants very much do represent a "creamy layer" from the origin country, in terms of IQ and motivation.

[Arising_uk]

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It is a common experience around the world that generally immigrants very much do represent a "creamy layer" from the origin country, in terms of IQ and motivation.

No idea about the IQ bit as we don't test that over here but educational motivation does seem to be high in the kids from some immigrant families over here, not least because they know the value of an essentially free and open to all system.

[OuterLimits]

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It is a common experience around the world that generally immigrants very much do represent a "creamy layer" from the origin country, in terms of IQ and motivation.

No idea about the IQ bit as we don't test that over here but educational motivation does seem to be high in the kids from some immigrant families over here, not least because they know the value of an essentially free and open to all system.

My point is it would be more apples-to-apples to compare trajectory & scores of native-born whites with native-born blacks.

[Arising_uk]

My point is it would be more apples-to-apples to compare trajectory & scores of native-born whites with native-born blacks.

The stats include native-born blacks.

[OuterLimits]

My point is it would be more apples-to-apples to compare trajectory & scores of native-born whites with native-born blacks.

The stats include native-born blacks.

My whole point is if the whites are almost exclusively native born, they should be compared to almost exclusively native-born blacks in order to make apples-to-apples comparison.

[Arising_uk]

My whole point is if the whites are almost exclusively native born, they should be compared to almost exclusively native-born blacks in order to make apples-to-apples comparison.

And mine is that to all intents and purposes they are. At least over here they are.

[OuterLimits]

My whole point is if the whites are almost exclusively native born, they should be compared to almost exclusively native-born blacks in order to make apples-to-apples comparison.

And mine is that to all intents and purposes they are. At least over here they are.

So most non-whites in UK are native born, and doing better than native-born whites. Ok, I can see that - particularly if we are prepared to move the goalposts a bit and ask where their parents were born. My bias is still to think that non-whites in UK are bringing a lot of pluck from their non-english cultures of origin.

[GreatandWiseTrixie]

It seems that the smartest whites are generally dedicated to helping everyone reach their highest potential, and the dumbest whites are often the ones the most attracted to promoting racial differences and keeping other groups down. These are averages we're talking about, remember. Probably what will happen as genetic technology marches on is that people all over the world will have genomes tampered with, becoming healthier, stronger and smarter. The pursuit of novelty will have white, black, blue, people with fins, all becoming more perfect together and the slapdash evolutionary situation we're in now will matter less.

This is my dream as well. I do not wish to hold blacks down but help them evolve into supreme beauty.
I for one, wish I was blue.

... However what I can't stand is when liberals pretend that blacks are intellectually equals to the Whites. ...

And yet in my country the poorest performers are the white boys, how do you explain this?

Since you aren't acting hysterically rude like Davidm, and are being somewhat polite, I will answer your question.

Firstly, I read the article and it seems deliciously vague. I don't see any evidence of the actual chart that was used. So I may wonder if their chart analysis used some kind of incorrect system of deduction to reach that conclusion.

But assuming their methods were solid, my explanation is this. First of all, all Northern Africans are as smart or almost as smart as Whites. Thus maybe the UK has a high amount of Northern Africans instead of Subsaharan africans. But if there are more Subsaharans, my explanation is this. The Africans who desired immigrations were the smartest and best of their country, that is why they wanted to move to a better civilization than africa. So the poorest, most average whites are competing with the Smartest and best africans. In my life I have met some exceptional africans who were smarter than some whites.

[Arising_uk]

So most non-whites in UK are native born, and doing better than native-born whites. ...

Actually no, what the stats show is that the white boys of the poorer working(or non-working) classes are doing the worst of all at present. Black working or non-working class boys are also doing pretty shit, just not as shit.

Ok, I can see that - particularly if we are prepared to move the goalposts a bit and ask where their parents were born. ...

By now most of the blacks in this country are second to third generation British.

My bias is still to think that non-whites in UK are bringing a lot of pluck from their non-english cultures of origin.

It does seem to be the case that kids from some immigrant groups do appear to be more motivated and work harder than the natives, which is not a surprise.

My point is that contrary to what the American race supremacists here claim educational attainment is not dependent upon race but largely upon societal and cultural factors.

[GreatandWiseTrixie]

My point is that contrary to what the American race supremacists here claim educational attainment is not dependent upon race but largely upon societal and cultural factors.

Please read my post.
My post implies it is mostly due to genetic factors (70%) and not societal factors (30%).

You have ignored all of my arguments and points.

[OuterLimits]

By now most of the blacks in this country are second to third generation British.

The way most black people got to USA is:
* lose fight to another tribe
* sold to european slavers
* shipped to USA
* if plucky, have mentality of "give me freedom or give me death", then are simply killed

The way most black people got to UK is:
* different, to be sure.

[davidm]

Please read my post.
My post implies it is mostly due to genetic factors (70%) and not societal factors (30%).

Evidence, dummy?

[GreatandWiseTrixie]

Please read my post.
My post implies it is mostly due to genetic factors (70%) and not societal factors (30%).

Evidence, dummy?

Evidence is go to africa, and watch as they stone homosexuals like a bunch of savage barbarians.
https://youtu.be/4xn90GqBxbU
I cant figure out if I should love this guy or hate him. I like forced feminization, but this guy scares me.