How do Christians Expect to Convert Atheists?

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thedoc wrote: Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:33 pm
No, the sounds from a speaker or a person are mechanical vibrations of the air, the sounds form the speakers and the sounds from a person have an electromagnetic component but that is only a part of the sound. Claiming that they are electromagnetic in nature is nonsense, please refrain from using science fiction to back up your statements.
Yes, vibrations of the air are picked up by the instruments for senses, and these vibrations are then converted into electrical signals ..which emit sound.

Sound is a byproduct of electrical friction, it's an illusion. The ringing sound between the ears known as Tinnitus is a typical example of how noise is just a phantom phenomena perceived as real.

In essence, everything is fiction because everything is electrical by nature.

Words are just vibrations of air heard as meaning, maybe the universe desired to factor meaning into it's matrix ..who knows...but it sure does feel like it was meant to happen that way.

Words make-up the story of life...an illusory manifestation of electricity.

God is an atom, and many atoms make a universe.

Uni =1 = UNIT ..in the formation of compound words.

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Dontaskme wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:56 am Yes, vibrations of the air are picked up by the instruments for senses, and these vibrations are then converted into electrical signals ..which emit sound.

maybe the universe desired to factor meaning into it's matrix ..
The vibrations in the air are sound, nothing else is required.

The universe doesn't desire anything and we don't live in a matrix.
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Dontaskme wrote:
ken wrote wrote:
what is the new word or new label that you propose and that human beings are now going to use that satisfies the definition of ALL THAT IS
I still think that ALL THAT IS implies completion so I wouldnt use that terminology myself to me infinity IS THIS SPACE right here and now this
open boundlessness in constant flux so I would change ALL THAT IS to THIS IS IT

THIS IS IT sounds like an open gate ALL THAT IS sounds like a closed gate
THIS IS IT actually sounds more closed because it is in the present tense where as ALL THAT IS sounds more open as it implies for all of time
Although given the flexibility and ambiguity of language one could equally make both terms mean exactly the same. But that aside however
I think the important thing is to acknowledge that any definition of UNIVERSE cannot be time specific so has to include past and present and
future. And it would include the metaphysical if it exists and indeed any other planes of existence beyond human knowledge and imagination
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thedoc wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:27 pm
The vibrations in the air are sound, nothing else is required.
Still need an antenna present to hear it. No antenna, no sound heard.
thedoc wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:27 pmThe universe doesn't desire anything.
We are the universe aware of itself. But you do not have to believe what I say.

Desire is a thought..so desire it does.

The sense organ, the human ear, only receives sound-waves. Sound-waves are vibrations of atoms in air and every atom is an illusion of electricity. This is because every atom is made up of positively charged protons and negatively charged electrons, and electricity too contains both positive and negative charge. This implies that an atom is an illusion of electricity.

Therefore, electricity as sound-waves strikes the eardrum and electrical signals are conveyed by the auditory nerve to the brain. In the brain the conducted electrical signals get mysteriously transformed as illusory thoughts. So even thoughts are an illusory manifestation of electricity.

The way electricity is able to transform itself into simple and complex animated forms is what I call God ... God is obvious, what's baffles me is how people don't see how obvious God is.

. But don't take my word for it.
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Dontaskme wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:06 pm But you do not have to believe what I say.

. But don't take my word for it.
Thankyou, I don't and I won't.
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surreptitious57 wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:43 pm
THIS IS IT actually sounds more closed because it is in the present tense
Yeah, it's present tense...the present instantly becomes past...so all that's real is the blank open space of creative possibility - watch this space? Infinity is NOW.

Each to their own interpretation....''given the flexibility and ambiguity of language one could equally make both terms mean exactly the same''

surreptitious57 wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:43 pmBut that aside however
I think the important thing is to acknowledge that any definition of UNIVERSE cannot be time specific so has to include past and present and
future. And it would include the metaphysical if it exists and indeed any other planes of existence beyond human knowledge and imagination
All ages are an illusion of electricity in man’s mind, which is electricity too, because they all are a singular, timeless flow of electricity instead of a material, time bound succession of events coming from the past, passing the present and going to the future.
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Dontaskme wrote:
The way electricity is able to transform itself into simple and complex animated forms is what I call God
God is obvious what baffles me is how people dont see how obvious God is
You are using an unconventional description so it is not obvious at all to anybody. It appears you are saying that God manifests as energy
specifically as electrical energy. But the logical connection you are attempting to make between them has not actually been established
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surreptitious57 wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:33 pm
But the logical connection you are attempting to make between them has not actually been established
Oh yes it has.
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thedoc wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:19 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:06 pm But you do not have to believe what I say.

. But don't take my word for it.
Thankyou, I don't and I won't.
But keep on feeling free to sniff around my BS even though you don't and won't like the smell.
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Dontaskme wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:20 pm All ages are an illusion of electricity in man’s mind, which is electricity too, because they all are a singular, timeless flow of electricity instead of a material, time bound succession of events coming from the past, passing the present and going to the future.
Electromagnetism is certainly a component of all that is but electromagnetism is not the only quality of the physical universe, there are other forces and the illusion of solid mater to consider as well.
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Dontaskme wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:56 pm
thedoc wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:19 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:06 pm But you do not have to believe what I say.

. But don't take my word for it.
Thankyou, I don't and I won't.
But keep on feeling free to sniff around my BS even though you don't and won't like the smell.
Your posts remind me of something that I have heard and dismissed before.

In college I took a philosophy class and for a few classes we had a substitute professor and he stated that he was firmly a subjectivist or a person who believes that everything is just a projection of his own mind and nothing really exists outside his own mind.
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thedoc wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:23 pm
Your posts remind me of something that I have heard and dismissed before.

In college I took a philosophy class and for a few classes we had a substitute professor and he stated that he was firmly a subjectivist or a person who believes that everything is just a projection of his own mind and nothing really exists outside his own mind.
It's more a case of nothing existing inside the mind as far as Dontask is concerned.
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thedoc wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:23 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:56 pm
thedoc wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:19 pm

Thankyou, I don't and I won't.
But keep on feeling free to sniff around my BS even though you don't and won't like the smell.
Your posts remind me of something that I have heard and dismissed before.

In college I took a philosophy class and for a few classes we had a substitute professor and he stated that he was firmly a subjectivist or a person who believes that everything is just a projection of his own mind and nothing really exists outside his own mind.
The professor is a self-admitted example of the concept of solipsism. (see below)

solipsism
The belief that only I myself and my own experiences are real, while anything else—a physical object or another person—is nothing more than an object of my consciousness. As a philosophical position, solipsism is usually the unintended consequence of an over-emphasis on the reliability of internal mental states, which provide no evidence for the existence of external referents.

Recommended Reading: Gilbert Ryle, The Concept of Mind (Chicago, 1984); P. F. Strawson, Individuals: an Essay in Descriptive Metaphysics (Routledge, 1979); and Albert A. Johnstone, Rationalized Epistemology: Taking Solipsism Seriously (SUNY, 1991).
If his mind is the only reality (internal and external), how does he determine the validity of his reasoning? Unlike the philosophical realist who checks his reasoning against reality, against what is, the professor can only check his thinking against itself. What if his brain becomes diseased, if it becomes psychotic?

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thedoc wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:23 pm


In college I took a philosophy class and for a few classes we had a substitute professor and he stated that he was firmly a subjectivist or a person who believes that everything is just a projection of his own mind and nothing really exists outside his own mind.
Well for a start, a person does not have a mind - a person is a ''thought'' in the mind.

A ''thought'' is a function of the brain. The mind becomes the ''human mind'' via the ''thought'' which the person does not make happen.

Life itself has evolved a thinking and talking animal...in the form of man.

There is nothing beyond the language that is the human story.

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Mind and thought is what the brain does. Spiritual is not separate from the physical.
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