How do Christians Expect to Convert Atheists?

[Harbal]

the spiritual realm is outside the scope of the universe.

The spiritual realm is a little place inside your head and your head does fall within the scope of the Universe.

[thedoc]

But what does happen at the quantum scale does translate perfectly up to the larger scales. Can you provide any examples of where you think this does not happen so we can take a look at it together, and discuss. This will shine some more light on the subject.

You made the claim that quantum effects scale up to larger scales, so it is up to you to provide examples where this is true. However classical (non-quantum) physics describes perfectly the process of navigating between the bodies in the solar system, without invoking quantum physics at all. According to quantum physics the flight of a spacecraft would be random and the craft would only probably reach it's target, with classical physics there is much less doubt about the outcome.

[thedoc]

Since you replied to My question about what is the 'one form of life' My point is dna will be found in every physical thing, and if this is correct then ALL physical things are related to each other, and together We are One. Every thing is of the same family of Everything and/or in the same family as 'All of us'. The 'one form of life' IS Life, Itself, seen by the evolving, changing and forming of physical things all the time as One. When one thing interacts with another thing, then this influences and/or creates some thing else. In a way every thing is reacting with every thing else, and thus creating Everything. This One living Being working together as One that is the 'one form of life', which is the created and the Creator, together as One. This Creator IS creating always, and being eternal It could create in all ways also.

'Full Consciousness' by the way is when Life, Itself, comes into being a fully Self-aware Being. When human beings are able to answer the question Who am 'I' correctly, then this is when what I am proposing here can be seen and understood much better.

DNA is only found in living organisms but the same form of DNA is found in everything so all live is related but non-living objects do not have DNA.

[thedoc]

"If a tree falls in the forest, and no-one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?

If you are very narrow-minded you would say that without a conscious being to hear, there is no sound. But if you are more open-minded you would agree that sound is just vibrations in the air and to be a sound doesn't need a conscious being to hear it.

In reply to the above question I ask why do human beings not just put a video camera and recorder in the forest to find out once and for all.

Because there would still be no living animal to hear the sound so people who hold a very narrow definition of sound would reject that data.

[surreptitious57]

what is the new word or new label that you propose and that human beings are now going to use that satisfies the definition of ALL THAT IS

The word is multiverse but universe still means all there is although it usually only applies to this universe
Which is wrong given the actual definition but the popularity of the word over rides this obvious confusion

[surreptitious57]

I know that ALL things can be known and that the answers that most adult human beings are looking are easily discovered and known

What about things that cannot be known and are answers that can be known really easy to discover as you apparently think they are

[thedoc]

the spiritual realm is outside the scope of the universe.

The spiritual realm is a little place inside your head and your head does fall within the scope of the Universe.

What kind of scope do you use to observe the space inside your own head, how great is the magnification?

[surreptitious57]

But what does happen at the quantum scale does translate perfectly up to the larger scales

So can you explain the incompatibility between Quantum Mechanics and General Relatively

[Harbal]

What kind of scope do you use to observe the space inside your own head, how great is the magnification?

I do enjoy our bouts of friendly banter, doc. How are you keeping, you old twat?

[surreptitious57]

I can easily see and understand how infinity can be and is complete

That would be a violation of the law of non contradiction for that which is infinite cannot also be finite
Finite infinity is a paradox and an oxymoron and so is therefore impossible both logically and physically

[Philosophy Explorer]

Since you replied to My question about what is the 'one form of life' My point is dna will be found in every physical thing, and if this is correct then ALL physical things are related to each other, and together We are One. Every thing is of the same family of Everything and/or in the same family as 'All of us'. The 'one form of life' IS Life, Itself, seen by the evolving, changing and forming of physical things all the time as One. When one thing interacts with another thing, then this influences and/or creates some thing else. In a way every thing is reacting with every thing else, and thus creating Everything. This One living Being working together as One that is the 'one form of life', which is the created and the Creator, together as One. This Creator IS creating always, and being eternal It could create in all ways also.

'Full Consciousness' by the way is when Life, Itself, comes into being a fully Self-aware Being. When human beings are able to answer the question Who am 'I' correctly, then this is when what I am proposing here can be seen and understood much better.

DNA is only found in living organisms but the same form of DNA is found in everything so all live is related but non-living objects do not have DNA.

"...the same form of DNA..." Not quite doc. Compare with M-W's definition of a gene:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gene

The genes are part of DNA or RNA that control hereditary
traits from one form of life to another. So DNA is different from one form of life to another and much depends on the nucleotide sequencing.

PhilX

[thedoc]

What kind of scope do you use to observe the space inside your own head, how great is the magnification?

I do enjoy our bouts of friendly banter, doc. How are you keeping, you old twat?

I'm glad that I can be good for something.

[thedoc]

DNA is only found in living organisms but the same form of DNA is found in everything so all live is related but non-living objects do not have DNA.

"...the same form of DNA..." Not quite doc. Compare with M-W's definition of a gene:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gene

The genes are part of DNA or RNA that control hereditary
traits from one form of life to another. So DNA is different from one form of life to another and much depends on the nucleotide sequencing.

PhilX

I did not say the same DNA code was present in each form of life, but the DNA of all life uses the same 4 letters to write out the code, and to the best of my knowledge any living cell can read the code of any other living cell, that is not to say that the cell could do anything with it, but it can at least read it. Every form of life has a different code and thus a different sequence of letters in the code but each DNA code uses the same 4 letters just in a different sequence depending on how different the life forms are.

[surreptitious57]

I did not say the same DNA code was present in each form of life but the DNA of all life uses the same 4 letters to write out the code
and to the best of my knowledge any living cell can read the code of any other living cell that is not to say that the cell could do any
thing with it but it can at least read it. Every form of life has a different code and thus a different sequence of 4 letters in the code
but each DNA code uses the same letters just in a different sequence depending on how different the life forms are

Not all life forms are complex enough to be composed of DNA however. For example non self replicating single cell
bacteria from which all life is descended from is actually composed of RNA that is comparatively simpler than DNA

[Dontaskme]

ken wrote:

what is the new word or new label that you propose and that human beings are now going to use that satisfies the definition of ALL THAT IS

I still think that ALL THAT IS implies completion. So I wouldn't use that terminology myself, to me, infinity IS THIS SPACE right here and now, this open boundlessness in constant flux. So I would change ALL THAT IS.....to....... THIS IS IT

THIS IS IT ...sounds like an open gate.

ALL THAT IS ... sounds like a closed gate.