Does the red shift of galaxies undoubtedly prove that the Universe is expanding?surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 3:01 amI have already said that I do not do belief. I say the Universe is expanding not because I believe scientists but because of the red shift of galaxies which is evidence of its expansion. The Sun revolving around the Earth was merely an assumption unsupported by science so it is not comparable You have therefore made two false assumptions. And you have no idea what I would have thought about anything at any point in the past beyond my current lifetime. That is both an unsupported and unsupportable assertionken wrote:
I also do not have first hand experience if the Universe is expanding or not so how could I be so sure as you appear to be? If you are going to say you believe that the Universe is expanding because you trust the people labeled scientists who tell you that well remember and take into consideration that you would believe ( in ) any thing depending on what period of time you lived in and what the scientists of that day told you. Therefore if you lived in a time period where scientists told you that the sun revolves around the earth or that the size of the Universe began with a big bang or whatever else you were told by scientists then you would believe it. No matter how true or false it actually was
How do you know the red shift of galaxies?
Have you seen the red shift of galaxies, or have you been told this, through stories?
If you have been told this by other people, then how do they "know" this? Have they seen this?
If you have seen the red shift of galaxies is that all you need as evidence that the Universe, Itself, IS expanding?
Is just seeing things with the eyes all that human beings need as and for evidence?
In other words could there not possibly be any thing else happening in nor to the Universe other than expansion? Could the Universe NOT be anything different from that what the eyes on that body see, or different from that what the ears on that body hear, is that what you are telling Me?
I apologize profusely if I said that you do or have or hold beliefs, but I do not recall ever saying you do. I did state that IF you did say you believe some thing. But I did not state that you do. You say that 'the Universe is expanding' not because you believe people labeled as scientists, which is great, but I am still unclear as to why exactly you say that 'The Universe is expanding'. I am very interested to know your answer to this, and to the next questions. In fact I am very interested to know people's answers to ALL the questions I ask. I would not ask them otherwise.
Anyway, are you absolutely sure that 'The Sun revolving around the Earth was merely an assumption unsupported by science'. I am not sure when 'science' came into "play", for lack of a better word, and thus when people started being labeled as "scientists", but if science and "scientists" were around in the days when human beings believed that the sun revolved around the earth what was science and "scientists" actually saying about this?
What were the actual two false assumptions that you say I made? If I am correct and you look much closer to what I actually wrote I NEVER assumed any thing. I made a proposal that if you did some thing, then some thing else would happen but I never assumed any thing would happen. In fact you made two very strong assumptions, namely that, 'I have no idea what you would have thought about in regards to anything at any point in the past beyond your current lifetime' IS unsupported and unsupportable.
Because I KNOW how the Mind and the brain work I know what ALL people would have thought about in regards to every thing and any thing at any point throughout Life. Within ALL human bodies the thoughts that arise are in direct relation to what that particular body has experienced. This is the exact same for each and every human being, including 'you'. This can and will be supported the more human beings start to learn and understand how the Mind and the brain actually work also.
