Explicit Knowledge

[Dontaskme]

DontAskMe wrote:

Do you not have faith in your mind?

Philosophy is what minds does if you don't mind.

Good question! Scientists and philosophers are sceptical about their ideas but religious believers are not sceptical about their ideas.

Faith and reason are not compatible.

Well good for them, it's their prerogative to believe what the heck they want. Thank God for scepticism otherwise we'd not know our arses from our elbow,s..

[Dontaskme]

DontAskMe wrote:

Do you not have faith in your mind?

Philosophy is what minds does if you don't mind.

Good question! Scientists and philosophers are sceptical about their ideas but religious believers are not sceptical about their ideas.

Faith and reason are not compatible.

Well good for them, it's their prerogative to believe what the heck they want. Thank God for scepticism otherwise we'd not know our arses from our elbow,s..

Y/our capacity for Reasoning and y/our ability to be Skeptical arise in You. But I / you have no idea who or where or what I am except what I Reason myself to be...so I have no choice but to have Faith in that Reasoning.

I guess they are very much compatible/mutually inclusive.

All the one love action dreaming difference where there is none.

The mind weaves such a complicated web for itself...Entanglement.

[Belinda]

DontAskMe wrote:

Y/our capacity for Reasoning and y/our ability to be Skeptical arise in You. But I / you have no idea who or where or what I am except what I Reason myself to be...so I have no choice but to have Faith in that Reasoning.

They didn't arise in me. On the contrary I was taught by significant others. I am sure that was what happened to you too, although of course I don't know who your significant others were or are. I gather that whoever they were or are they are a lot more religious than my significant others.

My ability to be sceptical such as it is was largely fostered by others. Anyway, without others' influences I would not think as I do.

I do have a choice to question what I believe, to question if my reasoning and my knowledge are correct. And questioning my beliefs is mostly what I come to philosophy forums to do.

[Dontaskme]

DontAskMe wrote:

Y/our capacity for Reasoning and y/our ability to be Skeptical arise in You. But I / you have no idea who or where or what I am except what I Reason myself to be...so I have no choice but to have Faith in that Reasoning.

They didn't arise in me. On the contrary I was taught by significant others. I am sure that was what happened to you too, although of course I don't know who your significant others were or are. I gather that whoever they were or are they are a lot more religious than my significant others.

My ability to be sceptical such as it is was largely fostered by others. Anyway, without others' influences I would not think as I do.

I do have a choice to question what I believe, to question if my reasoning and my knowledge are correct. And questioning my beliefs is mostly what I come to philosophy forums to do.

So are you agreeing to the fact that there is only ''human authority'' in charge of life on planet earth, and that all choice is relative?
That your ability to be a rational sceptical person belongs to you the person? and that it's an absolute fact that the person owns their rational skeptical mind choices?

And are you agreeing that you believe in scientific truths, which is still holding to a faith in their claims, but balk at one who has faith in some higher laws that are beyond the scope of the limited human mind? ...?

[Belinda]

DontAskMe wrote:

So are you agreeing to the fact that there is only ''human authority'' in charge of life on planet earth, and that all choice is relative?
That your ability to be a rational sceptical person belongs to you the person? and that it's an absolute fact that the person owns their rational skeptical mind choices?

And are you agreeing that you believe in scientific truths, which is still holding to a faith in their claims, but balk at one who has faith in some higher laws that are beyond the scope of the limited human mind? ...?

There is not only human authority in charge of life on Planet Earth. Nature has an imperative which outweighs human authorities and it is very dangerous to ignore nature's imperative.

I don't understand "all choice is relative".

Science is more reliable than faith. Science powers all modern technologies. Scientists never claim that any theory is the last word;scientists have no holy book which is infallible.

As for " higher laws that are beyond the scope of the limited human mind" I like to speculate but it's only speculation not faith.

[Dontaskme]

DontAskMe wrote:

So are you agreeing to the fact that there is only ''human authority'' in charge of life on planet earth, and that all choice is relative?
That your ability to be a rational sceptical person belongs to you the person? and that it's an absolute fact that the person owns their rational skeptical mind choices?

And are you agreeing that you believe in scientific truths, which is still holding to a faith in their claims, but balk at one who has faith in some higher laws that are beyond the scope of the limited human mind? ...?

There is not only human authority in charge of life on Planet Earth. Nature has an imperative which outweighs human authorities and it is very dangerous to ignore nature's imperative.

I don't understand "all choice is relative".

It means pertaining to a limited human sentient awareness or human authority only, not accepting that there is a ''higher power'' above and beyond that is absolute.

Science is more reliable than faith. Science powers all modern technologies. Scientists never claim that any theory is the last word;scientists have no holy book which is infallible.

As for " higher laws that are beyond the scope of the limited human mind" I like to speculate but it's only speculation not faith.

It seems science have put their faith in their own findings by what is seen as evidence, while ignoring the invisible integer which they don't seem to be interested in.

For example... can science prove that LOVE exists.. would science deny that love exists even though they cannot see, smell, taste, hear, or know where it comes from. Isn't that a kind of faith too.

Why does science get all the recognition and glory, for their findings, and lets face it if their findings hadn't already pre-existed there would be nothing for them to discover anyway. So what's the difference in putting faith in the visibly seen scientific God, and putting faith in an invisible God. Where did scientist get their capacity to preform their reasoning, and critical thinking skills in the first place? do they not have faith in that power that is an absolute given that they are receiving..where do they think they are getting that from ?

Without faith ..we are like deaf dumb and blind tubeworms with no meaning to life whatsoever, we are nothing.

[Belinda]

DontAskMe wrote:

Without faith ..we are like deaf dumb and blind tubeworms with no meaning to life whatsoever, we are nothing.

It's true that we are not like machines that function only by means of logical choices.

You call the component that is needed faith: I have been calling it aspiration.

[Dontaskme]

DontAskMe wrote:

Without faith ..we are like deaf dumb and blind tubeworms with no meaning to life whatsoever, we are nothing.

It's true that we are not like machines that function only by means of logical choices.

You call the component that is needed faith: I have been calling it aspiration.

Now what are you saying?...that there is a longing for something to be true...and where do you think that longing comes from? you'd still need a faith in having that longing fulfilled wouldn't you, so the argument for the longing for absolute truth would be grounded in having faith in the fulfilment of it. The irony here is that truth is already happening, right here and now as your very existence.
FAITH is irrefutable it's an idea only .. it is only pointing to something that cannot be refuted ..and cannot be won over in an argument by either party who is for or against it...Simply because there is no one to disprove or prove a physical entity as ever existing for real. And that which does appear to be real is and only can be an idea which is abstract not actual fact.So science are in the exact same mind quandary here as is the believer of an eternal all knowing God. FAITH is self-standing.

It cannot be refuted by anyone that there is something here which is in fact appearing as an entity, that is already self-evident. What's making that happen can never be known because it is absolute truth known only to itself...this is obvious, and simply cannot be refuted, this doesn't even need a faith in order to believe it...it simply is without requiring the belief that it is...

And is why Atheism is illogical, it doesn't make any sense but that's not the worst thing about it. The worst thing and the most annoying thing about atheists is that they assume a great deal of things to be true (which cant be true without the existence of an absolute mind) and then use that to argue against God's existence. Do you see how stupid that is? They claim the universal law of mathematics but without anyone making the laws of mathematics. They claim the existence of immaterial things like logic, common sense, reason. How can those things exist in a purely physical and material world? That doesn't make any sense. They always fall back on science, but how can you even do science without the existence of God and without assuming your senses and your mind work properly and are giving you accurate information? How can you do science without assuming that there is order and laws that are consistent and we can get to know those laws by doing good research? How can something that's random be consistent? How can randomness produce consistent laws of nature? That's the stupidity.

[Belinda]

DontAskMe wrote:

Now what are you saying?...that there is a longing for something to be true...and where do you think that longing comes from? you'd still need a faith in having that longing fulfilled wouldn't you, so the argument for the longing for absolute truth would be grounded in having faith in the fulfilment of it.

Sometimes when I feel discouraged I would like it if there were a loving Heavenly Father Who took care of us all, and made everything all right in the end.

By "Aspiration" I meant a special sort of wishing for. I mean that the most morally mature people long for good, but not for happiness or freedom from anxiety. Jesus Christ is an exemplar of a morally very mature person. You claim that Jesus of Nazareth existed as an historical individual . Even if you are quite mistaken about that claim , and Jesus of Nazareth never existed it would still arguably be true that the goodness which Jesus of Nazareth personified represented the very top mature morality. DontAskMe, this is because we don't need to say who a good idea originated with for a good idea to be a good idea.

There are other exemplars of the mot mature moral sensibility besides Jesus of Nazareth as depicted in the Synoptic Gospels.
Religionists typically conflate history and myth. DontAskMe, I hope that you understand the serious meaning of the word 'myth'.

[Dontaskme]

Sometimes when I feel discouraged I would like it if there were a loving Heavenly Father Who took care of us all, and made everything all right in the end.

He's here right now the invisible in visible. In plain sight. Why can you not see the elephant in the living room? It's RIGHT here THIS IS IT..

THIS THIS THIS !!

So what is human in relationship to GOD? As with all creatures, each individual is a thought-fragment of THE ONE Creator. Does God destroy His Creations? NEVER! He can UNTHINK you though! God only GIVES AND REGIVES LOVE; Love which is the seed of ALL Creation. Nature Gives and re-gives. It is only man (who has free-will choice) who TAKES, which brings the unbalance upon the planet which you can no longer ignore. You are all now witnessing the consequences.What's the point in love if it is not going to last? Love can't last. Love is EverLasting.

[Dontaskme]

Religionists typically conflate history and myth. DontAskMe, I hope that you understand the serious meaning of the word 'myth'.

Oh I understand the serious meaning of myth. Our whole sense of separate self is based on such a myth.

The mystics look to the invisible seer, while science look to the known/seen.

That which is known seen..is a temporal appearance of an unknown invisible seer knower.

What you are is both, yet neither = myth.


We base our reality on the knowledge we have available which is only ever HIS-STORY...always of past tense.

WHILE this present immediate NOW is the blank space of pure potential that hasn't happened yet. .did you mind the gap?

As and when the gap happens ..it is HIS-STORY in the making. Therefore nothing is ever happening..there is no room in reality for two. It's all ONE seamless flow...that no one lives.

Only the empty blank SCREEN/ AWARENESS on which (HIS-STORY) is appearing and disappearing LIVES. ..aka (the gap)


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[Dontaskme]

The Myth Story told by no one.


LOVE = invisible - all pervading - all encompassing- omnipresent- all knowing - all seeing -all giving - non-receiving - unconditional - eternal

GOD = invisible creator of eternal love - omnipresent -

HUMAN = concept of invisible creator love manifest - benevolent - God's character

THOUGHT = invisible desire to be

SENSES = invisible appearing real- being

THING= invisible concept believed to exist = illusion appearing real

IDEA = invisible belief appearing real

Animals = pure innocent unconditional companions of the ONE invisible in visible God

You are never alone for I am always with you.

KNOWLEDGE = illusion appearing real - past tense recalled now - making now happen and not happen as future never comes as it passes away in the same moment

[Belinda]

DontAskMe wrote:

THIS THIS THIS !!

So what is human in relationship to GOD? As with all creatures, each individual is a thought-fragment of THE ONE Creator. Does God destroy His Creations? NEVER! He can UNTHINK you though! God only GIVES AND REGIVES LOVE; Love which is the seed of ALL Creation. Nature Gives and re-gives. It is only man (who has free-will choice) who TAKES, which brings the unbalance upon the planet which you can no longer ignore. You are all now witnessing the consequences.What's the point in love if it is not going to last? Love can't last. Love is EverLasting.

I don't understand how you can claim that Love-God is all-powerful. Don't you read the news or watch telly and see the pictures?

[Dontaskme]

DontAskMe wrote:

THIS THIS THIS !!

So what is human in relationship to GOD? As with all creatures, each individual is a thought-fragment of THE ONE Creator. Does God destroy His Creations? NEVER! He can UNTHINK you though! God only GIVES AND REGIVES LOVE; Love which is the seed of ALL Creation. Nature Gives and re-gives. It is only man (who has free-will choice) who TAKES, which brings the unbalance upon the planet which you can no longer ignore. You are all now witnessing the consequences.What's the point in love if it is not going to last? Love can't last. Love is EverLasting.

I don't understand how you can claim that Love-God is all-powerful. Don't you read the news or watch telly and see the pictures?

No, I listen to what's actually real.

Before knowing real you first have to know what's not by being that.

The real has no interest in knowing what's not real. It is never that, because it if were not real, it wouldn't be real...and it's always real.

[Belinda]

DontAskMe wrote:

I don't understand how you can claim that Love-God is all-powerful. Don't you read the news or watch telly and see the pictures?


No, I listen to what's actually real.

How do you assess what is real, as opposed to what is deliberate lies, ignorance, incomplete information, disinformation, or propaganda?