I can't prove it to you, because you will only deny it.
No you can't prove it and you know it, which is why you don't try!
Mon May 01, 2017 9:16 am
Fair enough, many years ago I attended a conference for charismatics at Messiah College in Pa. During the final service there was a large group of people in an auditorium. During the service there was a localized disturbance in the assembled crowd and it seemed to move all around the room, it sounded like murmuring, shuffling of the feet and slight sliding of the chairs. As I said it was very localized but it moved as if something was flying just over the crowd but close enough to effect them. It finally settled on a girl singer of the group that had preformed some of the music during the conference but they weren't performing for this service. She stood up and sang in tongues and then sang the translation. I am familiar with the sound of most human languages but this didn't sound like anything I had heard before. To me it seemed like the disturbance was caused by the presence of the Holy Spirit and I reasoned that if the Hols Spirit was real then God, of whom the Holy Spirit is a part, is real as well. I had a recording of the service with everything I described but I no longer have my copy, and I am currently trying to track down another copy. I have stated elsewhere that I understand that the experience would only be meaningful for those in attendance, anyone else could come up with some other explanation, but they weren't there, part of the experience was the feeling during the event.
SpheresOfBalance wrote:
You posted it alright, it was around the same time you were too scared to watch that video on the fear of death, and lied to me about watching it. Remember that, or shall your selective memory kick in again!
Post the quote of when I stated that.
Like I'm your dog that will go fetch a stick! Think again!
So you can't find where I have stated that, good for you, you're lying again.
thedoc wrote:Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
I have always said here that I'm AGNOSTIC!!!
For Christ's sake in the 1800's when Lincoln was shot they put leeches on his wounds, fucking stupid!
WE ARE STILL FAR TOO YOUNG TO KNOW IF THERE IS OR IS NOT A CREATOR!!!
But the GOD question is obviously WRONG!!!! BECAUSE HE WAS CREATED IN MANS IMAGE!! IT'S SO EASY TO SEE, YOU GOT TO BE A MORON TO BELIEVE OTHERWISE!!! NO, STRIKE THAT, SO SCARED SHITLESS OF DEATH, YOU'LL BELIEVE ANY FAR FETCHED TALE, NO MATTER HOW RIDICULOUS, SO AS TO BELIEVE YOU CAN LIVE FOREVER!!
I'VE ONLY EVER SAID THAT YOU CAN"T "KNOW" THAT YOUR MAN MADE "GOD" IS REAL, NEVER THAT EITHER I NOR ANYONE ELSE CAN "KNOW" THAT THERE IS OR IS NOT A "CREATOR!" PAY ATTENTION!!! WE ARE STILL TOO YOUNG TO "KNOW" THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION!!
Of course I shall always defend your right to "be seen as fools" (same as, ""believe" in anything you want, despite it not being provable")!
I don't care what you call yourself, I can read what you have written. Try reading a dictionary for a change!
Best medicine of the time, you begrudge them for being products of their time? I just hate living in an age where morons run rampant. Of course it's always better than the past, as then you crazies would kill me for denouncing your crap, as such!
So you're an atheist, denying that there is a God. Nope I'm an agnostic that says your god system is antiquated/archaic, and that no one can know either way if a creator exists! READ!
While I thank you for defending my right to believe as I wish, I question your hostility and abuse to my statements.
Correct, it's your outlandish statements that I focus my hostility, not you the confused human! It's not your fault, you're just scared!
thedoc wrote:
I can't prove it to you, because you will only deny it.
No you can't prove it and you know it, which is why you don't try!
Mon May 01, 2017 9:16 am
Fair enough, many years ago I attended a conference for charismatics at Messiah College in Pa. During the final service there was a large group of people in an auditorium. During the service there was a localized disturbance in the assembled crowd and it seemed to move all around the room, it sounded like murmuring, shuffling of the feet and slight sliding of the chairs. As I said it was very localized but it moved as if something was flying just over the crowd but close enough to effect them. It finally settled on a girl singer of the group that had preformed some of the music during the conference but they weren't performing for this service. She stood up and sang in tongues and then sang the translation. I am familiar with the sound of most human languages but this didn't sound like anything I had heard before. To me it seemed like the disturbance was caused by the presence of the Holy Spirit and I reasoned that if the Hols Spirit was real then God, of whom the Holy Spirit is a part, is real as well. I had a recording of the service with everything I described but I no longer have my copy, and I am currently trying to track down another copy. I have stated elsewhere that I understand that the experience would only be meaningful for those in attendance, anyone else could come up with some other explanation, but they weren't there, part of the experience was the feeling during the event.
You can't "know" that it wasn't rehearsed! Pure Theater! Right? I'm looking for rational thinking here by the way, and depend on the honesty of a clear mind! What say you, Oh rational one?
thedoc wrote:
Post the quote of when I stated that.
Like I'm your dog that will go fetch a stick! Think again!
So you can't find where I have stated that, good for you, you're lying again.
No, it's not my job to prove your failed memory to you. It's equally your job to prove mine! Though with all the deleting that goes on, proving the past words of others, is not necessarily possible in all cases. I just don't feel like taking the time to find out which is the case. You do it!
thedoc wrote:
I never posted that, you must be confusing me with someone else, not surprising. I think it is your mind that is slipping.
You posted it alright, it was around the same time you were too scared to watch that video on the fear of death, and lied to me about watching it. Remember that, or shall your selective memory kick in again!
SpheresOfBalance wrote:
No you can't prove it and you know it, which is why you don't try!
Mon May 01, 2017 9:16 am
Fair enough, many years ago I attended a conference for charismatics at Messiah College in Pa. During the final service there was a large group of people in an auditorium. During the service there was a localized disturbance in the assembled crowd and it seemed to move all around the room, it sounded like murmuring, shuffling of the feet and slight sliding of the chairs. As I said it was very localized but it moved as if something was flying just over the crowd but close enough to effect them. It finally settled on a girl singer of the group that had preformed some of the music during the conference but they weren't performing for this service. She stood up and sang in tongues and then sang the translation. I am familiar with the sound of most human languages but this didn't sound like anything I had heard before. To me it seemed like the disturbance was caused by the presence of the Holy Spirit and I reasoned that if the Hols Spirit was real then God, of whom the Holy Spirit is a part, is real as well. I had a recording of the service with everything I described but I no longer have my copy, and I am currently trying to track down another copy. I have stated elsewhere that I understand that the experience would only be meaningful for those in attendance, anyone else could come up with some other explanation, but they weren't there, part of the experience was the feeling during the event.
You can't "know" that it wasn't rehearsed! Pure Theater! Right? I'm looking for rational thinking here by the way, and depend on the honesty of a clear mind! What say you, Oh rational one?
Predictable for one who wasn't there. I was there, and you weren't.
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SpheresOfBalance wrote:
You posted it alright, it was around the same time you were too scared to watch that video on the fear of death, and lied to me about watching it. Remember that, or shall your selective memory kick in again!
Post the quote of when I stated that.
You prove that you didn't!
You made the claim, you prove the claim, and prove that I didn't watch the video.
thedoc wrote:
You're wrong, some people can "know", but those who don't know, or don't believe, often project their disbelief onto others.
My mother was like that, she claimed that she knew my motives better than I did, I just got tired of arguing with her.
Yes.
Even if, for argument's sake, we were to grant Spheres his point, he'd need to tell us how he *knows* that nobody can know God.
Easy IC, "PROVE" IT!
I beg you pardon? Where, above, did I use the expression "prove it" -- especially in caps?
I said you would need to tell us how you know. That's perfectly reasonable, and makes no use of the word "proof."
So I cry "red herring."
Now I hope you're a little more learned than our High School Graduate friend and actually know what the word "PROVE" means!
That's rude to my "friend," but if you were supposing it would induce me to join your side out of shame at being called a "High School Graduate," you aren't correct. He was right, and until you show otherwise, I still have no reason to think your purported "knowledge" is correct.
As for knowing what the word "PROVE" means, I do. "Proof" is for things like mathematics and deduction only. And that is why I did not ask you for that. I'm asking you to provide your inductive warrant. And I say again: if you make a claim to know something, you owe people an explanation of how you know. That allows them to understand the scope of your claim correctly. Absent that, they have no reason to think your claim to "knowing" is substantial.
Time to ante up, then. How do you know what limits there are to what everybody else knows or can know about God?
Fair enough, many years ago I attended a conference for charismatics at Messiah College in Pa. During the final service there was a large group of people in an auditorium. During the service there was a localized disturbance in the assembled crowd and it seemed to move all around the room, it sounded like murmuring, shuffling of the feet and slight sliding of the chairs. As I said it was very localized but it moved as if something was flying just over the crowd but close enough to effect them. It finally settled on a girl singer of the group that had preformed some of the music during the conference but they weren't performing for this service. She stood up and sang in tongues and then sang the translation. I am familiar with the sound of most human languages but this didn't sound like anything I had heard before. To me it seemed like the disturbance was caused by the presence of the Holy Spirit and I reasoned that if the Hols Spirit was real then God, of whom the Holy Spirit is a part, is real as well. I had a recording of the service with everything I described but I no longer have my copy, and I am currently trying to track down another copy. I have stated elsewhere that I understand that the experience would only be meaningful for those in attendance, anyone else could come up with some other explanation, but they weren't there, part of the experience was the feeling during the event.
You can't "know" that it wasn't rehearsed! Pure Theater! Right? I'm looking for rational thinking here by the way, and depend on the honesty of a clear mind! What say you, Oh rational one?
Predictable for one who wasn't there. I was there, and you weren't.
That you were there means nothing. As it still could have been rehearsed. The surprise of the unfolding of the show would in fact be enough to thwart your being wise to it's inauthentic nature. You being there in the capacity that your were, lends to your belief, because you wanted to believe, or you wouldn't have been there in the first place. Ever seen a magic show? How did he do that?
I said PROOF, as usual you have no clue what that is!
thedoc wrote:
Post the quote of when I stated that.
You prove that you didn't!
You made the claim, you prove the claim, and prove that I didn't watch the video.
You already confessed that you didn't watch the entire show. In addition you represented that which you did see incorrectly, which was proof enough of your fear.
Where, above, did I use the expression "prove it" -- especially in caps? 