If God is so merciful, then why did Jesus have to be sacrificed?

[Dontaskme]

What "choice," then, does the little girl make?

To have sinful intent is to deny the eternal kingdom of heaven on earth...those who sin will never see it.

If she's an Innocent, she'll be just fine..hope you understand.

God's already got a place for her here in heaven, he already paid the price of sin through the sacrifice of the innocents..the lowly lambs...if the the sinners still choose to sin - they have to pay their own price which is death...with no access to the magic kingdom...until they repent...forgive themselves and others, do unto others..and all that jaz

As I walk through the valley of the shadow I fear not...

For I am always with myself the innocent one..the Lionheart.


The wicked always pick on the innocent and pay a hefty price more than they would picking on someone their own size.

[Dontaskme]

Why are you placing so much value on a human life as to assume it has more value than a Dog.

Because clearly, you must.

After all, you think we human beings are responsible to take care of dogs. You never ask dogs to take care of humanity.

If human beings are no more than animals, then they're no more responsible than animals. But if they're responsible, then they're not just animals.

Pick your horse (or dog) and ride it.

No, I'm thinking human beings are responsible for their actions. .why kill an innocent..dogs can look after themselves, don't need us for that.

But can we look after ourselves, that's the question...clearly we can't.

Animals don't make choices for theirs actions - humans do have the choice to act responsible.

I don't get what your point is?

[Immanuel Can]

I don't get what your point is?

You asked why a human life is more important than that of a dog.

You were asking a human being (me) to evaluate a dog's worth...and so you can.

But you can't ask a dog to evaluate my life.

That's a big difference. The dog will never have any responsibility for my welfare, but I can take responsibility for his.

Humans ain't like the other animals. That, on some level, you know it was implicit in your original question.

[Dontaskme]

I don't get what your point is?

You asked why a human life is more important than that of a dog.

You were asking a human being (me) to evaluate a dog's worth...and so you can.

But you can't ask a dog to evaluate my life.

That's a big difference. The dog will never have any responsibility for my welfare, but I can take responsibility for his.

Humans ain't like the other animals. That, on some level, you know it was implicit in your original question.

Well, I think because animals can't evaluate what's worthy, I guess that makes them luckier than humans.

Because as I see it, nothing has any more value than any thing else. It's all precious beauty...even the ugly parts.

Why can't we just accept that about ourselves?

[Dontaskme]

Maybe I could have put it this way...If a dog catches a rabbit and tears it to ribbons with it's teeth. Do we question whether that rabbit has a choice to be ripped apart?


That's basically what you were pointing out IC when you asked whether or not that little girl had a choice?

Do you not see the hypocrisy? what gives you the idea that she might actually have that luxury to choose what's fair and what isn't?

Where does man get the idea that it's alright to care for his own kind but it's okay that animals are subject to torture and agony by their own nature.

I guess it's just the nature of the beast...right?....how are we to overcome the beast in our beauty?

We do it by sacrifice...surrender to God's will and let him be the final judge...else we all live like beasts, it's your choice.

Someone has to pay the sacrifice, and it's usually the innocent that pay ...because they don't know how to commit sin...so their only choice is to surrender to their abusers.

Just like Jesus showed us how to do on the cross. ..aka the Good God.

God already knew death was a lie. So he performed a mock death to test the faith of those who were genuine. Those that choose not to believe and follow the truth will not live. And those that choose and believe the truth will not die.

[Immanuel Can]

...as I see it, nothing has any more value than any thing else. It's all precious beauty...even the ugly parts.

Why can't we just accept that about ourselves?

Maybe things have to be true before you can expect people to accept them.

Or at least, you have to be saying something that you yourself are clearly following through on.

The truth is that even YOU don't accept it, if you ask a human to bear any responsibility, and attribute no responsibility to animals. After all, we don't blame dogs for doing what dogs do. Why would we say a human was "better" or "worse" for doing what a human does...if it's all equal?

But it's not. I know it's not. You know it's not, because you're not talking to dogs about this.

So the "all animals are equal" game is just that -- a game. Clearly, nobody believes it; not even those who profess it most loudly.

Why should anyone "accept" what nobody really thinks it true?

[Dontaskme]

IDK ..Mr can you tell me?


I guess we're all just muddling through the same jungle best we can?



I just know I cannot die, so I don't care what happens to me. Is that a sin?

[osgart]

animals are alive they are just to stupid to be cognizant o f all humans are cognizant of. A conscience towards animals is necessary.

yet I'm sure other than a few animals life is misery and they create havoc. unfortunately we have to kill animals to survive.

my point is the earth itself don't operate on any moral code . other than morals we make and those morals are needed.

you could set up the standard of absolute truth but please please don't make any errors in setting up that.

without moral codes we die as a species. fear will run the table and destroy love

[Immanuel Can]

IDK ..Mr can you tell me?

I have some ideas. But I'm still trying to figure out if people even believe in the idea of justice first. For unless people have some conception of justice to which they feel an allegiance, the OP is unanswerable, really. But the irony of the OP is this: I think it presupposes a conception of justice. For if it does not, then what is it supposed to be asking? My best guess is that the OP'er meant the equivalent of, "It doesn't seem just/merciful/right...if Jesus had to be sacrificed." I think he/she was aiming at saying something would be unfair about that...

If he/she didn't mean that, then I don't really know what the OP question is anymore.

I guess we're all just muddling through the same jungle best we can?

Well, we would be, if God did not say anything. Then we'd all be shooting in the dark, wouldn't we? Just sad, limited, moribund little creatures staggering around on a lonely mud ball in space, for no particular purpose and with no idea what was going on.

Of course, some philosophers have thought it was exactly that way...and that was what made them say life was "absurd." I wouldn't say they were right, but I do think I understand why they said that. Faced grimly, that is exactly what life would be without God.

I just know I cannot die, so I don't care what happens to me. Is that a sin?

If that's so, then you're the only immortal I've ever met. But thinking you're immortal...is it a sin? Good question.

Now that I think about it, maybe a relevant passage is what Jesus Christ says in Luke 12:20. What do you think?

[Immanuel Can]

A conscience towards animals is necessary.

Why?

We don't ask lions to have a conscience about killing gazelles, or even malaria mosquitoes to have a conscience for killing us. If we are on par with them, why should we have moral constraints that we would never dream of placing on them? That hardly seems "necessary" rationally.

unfortunately we have to kill animals to survive.

We're omnivores. And we don't blame wolves for killing deer, do we? If we're just another kind of animal, why blame us? What's so "unfortunate"?

without moral codes we die as a species. fear will run the table and destroy love

That might be true; but it doesn't explain why we are justified in having moral codes, or why anybody would be "wrong" to break any of them.

[Dontaskme]

Now that I think about it, maybe a relevant passage is what Jesus Christ says in Luke 12:20. What do you think?

I think I'm immortal simply because I know I don't exist the way I think I do.

Does that resonate with you .. I see ? IC

[Immanuel Can]

Now that I think about it, maybe a relevant passage is what Jesus Christ says in Luke 12:20. What do you think?

I think I'm immortal simply because I know I don't exist the way I think I do.

Does that resonate with you .. I see ? IC

Did you read the passage?

[Dontaskme]

We don't ask lions to have a conscience about killing gazelles, or even malaria mosquitoes to have a conscience for killing us.

So where did we get our conscience from? .. my guess is it's coming straight the sources mouth...where else could it come from?
It must want this for itself. , it can achieve what ever it desires through a conscientious rational thinking mind as and through what ever vessel is prepared to take it on. Perhaps that's why we seem to have a conscience?

If we want to live like beasts and ignore the beauty then the universe won't evolve or progress on this planet at least. God only knows what's happening on other planets in the universe.

[Dontaskme]

Now that I think about it, maybe a relevant passage is what Jesus Christ says in Luke 12:20. What do you think?

I think I'm immortal simply because I know I don't exist the way I think I do.

Does that resonate with you .. I see ? IC

Did you read the passage?

ok yes i get it

[Immanuel Can]

So where did we get our conscience from? .. my guess is it's coming straight the sources mouth...where else could it come from?

Yes, I would think so.