Has religion been a boon or a bane to mankind?

[Hobbes' Choice]

Trusted Jewish orderlies were appointed guard duties.

As 'Kapos' yes, but I would not call them guards. They were still prisoners, still subject to arbitrary execution, but as long as they kept the other prisoners in order, they stayed alive. And we are talking about camps like Auschwitz, where a lot of prisoners were kept alive (just about) as slave labour. The Kapos were usually recruited from amongst the criminal prisoners, so sometimes Jews but not usually.

For what it was like to be a long term prisoner in Auschwitz, I would recommend 'If this is a man' by Primo Levi. The Commandant of Auschwitz (Hoess) also wrote an autobiography while waiting for the Poles to hang him, well worth reading.

yeah I can read Wiki too.

It therefore seems inappropriate to say that those who go in for FGM are misogynistic because they do not think they are doing the girls any harm; quite the contrary.

Bullshit.
Rubbish, cheap specious argument, like the rest of it.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

You don't think women can be misogynistic?? They often beat men at it hands down. And didn't I just point out that their daughters would be considered unclean and unmarriageable if they don't get it done?? Which part of that didn't you understand?

As I wrote many posts ago, I understand 'mysogyny' to mean 'dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women'.

It therefore seems inappropriate to say that those who go in for FGM are misogynistic because they do not think they are doing the girls any harm; quite the contrary.

Having a misguided idea of what is beneficial for women is not 'misogyny'.

It is the wrong word.

But you claimed that it can't be misogyny because women take their daughters to get it done. It's an ingrained cultural misogyny, but what do we expect? Their culture has been thrown back about 500 years because of Western meddling and bombing.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Women who mutilate their children participate in their own oppression, this is due to a lack of perspective, or because they are trapped in a harmful culture and bow to the pressure around them.
It is thought that upwards of 150,00 people of Jewish descent fought for Hitler.
http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/as- ... -military/
Even if this estimate is large the fact remains.

In my view ALL that allow themselves to be conscripted are participating in their own oppression, and it is common enough. The banes of mankind; religion and other ideologies just like it such as patriotism and nationalism. I see no difference.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Women who mutilate their children participate in their own oppression, this is due to a lack of perspective, or because they are trapped in a harmful culture and bow to the pressure around them.
It is thought that upwards of 150,00 people of Jewish descent fought for Hitler.
http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/as- ... -military/
Even if this estimate is large the fact remains.

In my view ALL that allow themselves to be conscripted are participating in their own oppression, and it is common enough. The banes of mankind; religion and other ideologies just like it such as patriotism and nationalism. I see no difference.

For pete's sake. That's a nazi website. I just don't get you at all sometimes.
It's also twisting facts to suit an agenda. There were many people in Germany who didn't consider themselves to be jewish, but Hitler did. Some had been christian for generations. Notice it says 'jewish descent'. How could anyone know this 'fact'?

[Hobbes' Choice]

Women who mutilate their children participate in their own oppression, this is due to a lack of perspective, or because they are trapped in a harmful culture and bow to the pressure around them.
It is thought that upwards of 150,00 people of Jewish descent fought for Hitler.
http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/as- ... -military/
Even if this estimate is large the fact remains.

In my view ALL that allow themselves to be conscripted are participating in their own oppression, and it is common enough. The banes of mankind; religion and other ideologies just like it such as patriotism and nationalism. I see no difference.

For pete's sake. That's a nazi website. I just don't get you at all sometimes.

What's the matter with you. You are getting really chippy these days.
The facts of the matter is from research done by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Mark_Rigg . I put in a codicil that the estimate might not be accurate but it does not change the FACT.

Rigg is of Jewish descent, and embraced his Jewish heritage. He is now an ethical humanist. He served as a volunteer in the Israeli Army and later as an officer in the U.S. Marine Corps.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Women who mutilate their children participate in their own oppression, this is due to a lack of perspective, or because they are trapped in a harmful culture and bow to the pressure around them.
It is thought that upwards of 150,00 people of Jewish descent fought for Hitler.
http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/as- ... -military/
Even if this estimate is large the fact remains.

In my view ALL that allow themselves to be conscripted are participating in their own oppression, and it is common enough. The banes of mankind; religion and other ideologies just like it such as patriotism and nationalism. I see no difference.

For pete's sake. That's a nazi website. I just don't get you at all sometimes.

What's the matter with you. You are getting really chippy these days.
The facts of the matter is from research done by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Mark_Rigg . I put in a codicil that the estimate might not be accurate but it does not change the FACT.

Rigg is of Jewish descent, and embraced his Jewish heritage. He is now an ethical humanist. He served as a volunteer in the Israeli Army and later as an officer in the U.S. Marine Corps.

I edited my previous post. How on earth could anyone know what the distant ancestry was of everyone in the German army? It's ridiculous.
And that's a nazi website touting the greatness of Hitler! There's also the fact that some people of jewish descent might have escaped detection and ended up the army. What else were they supposed to do?

[Hobbes' Choice]

For pete's sake. That's a nazi website. I just don't get you at all sometimes.

What's the matter with you. You are getting really chippy these days.
The facts of the matter is from research done by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Mark_Rigg . I put in a codicil that the estimate might not be accurate but it does not change the FACT.

Rigg is of Jewish descent, and embraced his Jewish heritage. He is now an ethical humanist. He served as a volunteer in the Israeli Army and later as an officer in the U.S. Marine Corps.

I edited my previous post. How the hell could anyone know what the distant ancestry was of everyone in the German army? It's ridiculous.
And that's a nazi website touting the greatness of Hitler! There's also the fact that some people of jewish descent might have escaped detection and ended up the thin army. What else were they supposed to do?

These were people of known ancestry, as shown by government records, with the knowledge of the authorities. In the same way that a woman that might think mutilating her child might not be good has no other way but to bow to pressure. People participate their own oppression.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

What's the matter with you. You are getting really chippy these days.
The facts of the matter is from research done by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Mark_Rigg . I put in a codicil that the estimate might not be accurate but it does not change the FACT.

Rigg is of Jewish descent, and embraced his Jewish heritage. He is now an ethical humanist. He served as a volunteer in the Israeli Army and later as an officer in the U.S. Marine Corps.

I edited my previous post. How the hell could anyone know what the distant ancestry was of everyone in the German army? It's ridiculous.
And that's a nazi website touting the greatness of Hitler! There's also the fact that some people of jewish descent might have escaped detection and ended up the thin army. What else were they supposed to do?

These were people of known ancestry, as shown by government records, with the knowledge of the authorities. In the same way that a woman that might think mutilating her child might not be good has no other way but to bow to pressure. People participate their own oppression.

You are trying to make it sound as if jews were going out of their way to help Hitler. That's a white supremacist thing. If all those people were known to be jews by the authorities, then they would have been sent to concentration camps, like all the others. The only 'evidence' I can find is on nazi and conspiracytard websites.

[Hobbes' Choice]

I edited my previous post. How the hell could anyone know what the distant ancestry was of everyone in the German army? It's ridiculous.
And that's a nazi website touting the greatness of Hitler! There's also the fact that some people of jewish descent might have escaped detection and ended up the thin army. What else were they supposed to do?

These were people of known ancestry, as shown by government records, with the knowledge of the authorities. In the same way that a woman that might think mutilating her child might not be good has no other way but to bow to pressure. People participate their own oppression.

You are trying to make it sound as if jews were going out of their way to help Hitler. That's a white supremacist thing. If all those people were known to be jews by the authorities, then they would have been sent to concentration camps, like all the others. The only 'evidence' I can find is on nazi and conspiracytard websites.

chippy chippy chippy.

Run along and take a chill pill

[vegetariantaxidermy]

These were people of known ancestry, as shown by government records, with the knowledge of the authorities. In the same way that a woman that might think mutilating her child might not be good has no other way but to bow to pressure. People participate their own oppression.

You are trying to make it sound as if jews were going out of their way to help Hitler. That's a white supremacist thing. If all those people were known to be jews by the authorities, then they would have been sent to concentration camps, like all the others. The only 'evidence' I can find is on nazi and conspiracytard websites.

chippy chippy chippy.

Run along and take a chill pill

That's only because you know I'm right.

[Hobbes' Choice]

You are trying to make it sound as if jews were going out of their way to help Hitler. That's a white supremacist thing. If all those people were known to be jews by the authorities, then they would have been sent to concentration camps, like all the others. The only 'evidence' I can find is on nazi and conspiracytard websites.

chippy chippy chippy.

Run along and take a chill pill

That's only because you know I'm right.

Yes dear you are always right. DO you need me to pick-up some Lillettes from the Chemist tomorrow?

[Londoner]

yeah I can read Wiki too.

I don't know what has got into you. Yes, that is what Wicki says about 'Kopos', it is also what the two books I referenced said. If think they are wrong, say so. If you think they are right, then you will agree with my point that describing them as 'guards' was not the right word.

Me: It therefore seems inappropriate to say that those who go in for FGM are misogynistic because they do not think they are doing the girls any harm; quite the contrary.

Bullshit.
Rubbish, cheap specious argument, like the rest of it.

Why are you getting so overwrought about this simple point? I only mentioned it because I have some connection with people who work on this issue and it is recognised that it is unhelpful to use that sort of language to young girls, because you are attacking their mothers and other loved family members. To suggest their own mother despises them will be so absurd it ends all possibility of further communication.

But I get the impression you are not open to reason any more on this topic.

[Immanuel Can]

'Kopos'...as 'guards' was not the right word.

You're right.

I met one of those guys a few years ago. What they were was a group of inmates who were, for one reason or another, slightly less hated by the Germans than was the general population -- say, slavs and Polish dissenters, rather than Jews, or something like that -- and so were offered inducements to "sell out" their fellow prisoners. They were pretty much treated the same as the rest of the prisoners, with fewer beatings, less starvation, and so forth, apparently. But at the end of the day, they were fodder for the gas chambers and ovens too...just the last to go, since they had some utility for a time.

The guy I met was horribly guilt-ridden and miserable. He knew he had been a sell-out, and he was determined to spend the rest of his life atoning for it by telling everyone what he had done, and why it was wrong, but could never seem to get his conscience free. A "guard" he may not have quite been; but he was nothing of which he was proud -- as you say, a prisoner, but one that had made it easier for the real guards to manage their victims.

In his own way, he was still in prison.

[Melchior]

How can you even ask such a question?

[Immanuel Can]

How can you even ask such a question?

Well, this was what I was asking.

After all, nobody knows what "religion," in the required sense, is. And depending on which "religion" one picks, one gets wildly different answers. There are some "religions" that have had magnificent effects, and some that have had awful effects, and some that have had a mix. So how can one possibly generalize?

It's a bit like asking, "Has science been a boon or bane to mankind?" Does one look at vaccines and hygiene, or at transportation and communications, or at nuclear warheads, super-viruses, factories of death and air pollution? Or does one pretend it's all the same?

It's just an absurd question, really.