Trumpery - or how to be a Demagogue

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Walker wrote:
Here’s some intelligent criticism of Trump’s isolationist America First slogan to consider.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html
You are deluded. You are allowing the baby of democracy to be thrown out with the dirty water of the establishment...

One day he will make an edict that directly harms you, then you will know what others have suffered.

Today thousands of people who were making their lives in the USA; legal people with GREEN CARDS are now shunned at airports all over the world; but NOT in the countries that Trump has business with.
You are making a big mistake.
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Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Walker wrote:
Here’s some intelligent criticism of Trump’s isolationist America First slogan to consider.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html
You are deluded. You are allowing the baby of democracy to be thrown out with the dirty water of the establishment...

One day he will make an edict that directly harms you, then you will know what others have suffered.

Today thousands of people who were making their lives in the USA; legal people with GREEN CARDS are now shunned at airports all over the world; but NOT in the countries that Trump has business with.
You are making a big mistake.
Diluted? Only what ice provides over time, otherwise I take my beverages straight. :lol:

As more folks use hand-held communicators, the odor of hysterical rhetoric wafts from the planet in a tightening web of electronic frequencies.

The poor old world just craves order, now more than ever, after misinterpreting the promise and implications of fundamental change from eight years ago. Misinterpreting hook, line and sinker. Even the Nobel Prize was awarded on the assumed meaning of that non-specific, yet rousing promise of fundamental change.

Who other than a liar promises to fundamentally change what they claim to love? Who, save an idiot, greets such promise with emotionalism stirred by speechifying?

Trump’s Executive Order on Refugees — Separating Fact from Hysteria
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Walker wrote:
Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Walker wrote:
Here’s some intelligent criticism of Trump’s isolationist America First slogan to consider.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html
You are deluded. You are allowing the baby of democracy to be thrown out with the dirty water of the establishment...

One day he will make an edict that directly harms you, then you will know what others have suffered.

Today thousands of people who were making their lives in the USA; legal people with GREEN CARDS are now shunned at airports all over the world; but NOT in the countries that Trump has business with.
You are making a big mistake.
Diluted? Only what ice provides over time, otherwise I take my beverages straight. :lol:
This is what happens when you raise a child on hamburgers and twinkies.
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You've been flimflammed.

Obama suspended immigration and nobody had a cow.
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Why did Mr Trump not include Saudi Arabia among Muslim countries?
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Belinda wrote:Why did Mr Trump not include Saudi Arabia among Muslim countries?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/29/opin ... .html?_r=0
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Belinda wrote:Why did Mr Trump not include Saudi Arabia among Muslim countries?
And why not countries that had something to do with 9/11????
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Belinda wrote:Why did Mr Trump not include Saudi Arabia among Muslim countries?
And why not countries that had something to do with 9/11????
Instead of bowing to the Saudi King like his predecessor famously did, maybe he made a deal. The Iran deal of the Obama administration, replete with untraceable cash payoffs, did raise some ire with the royals, which may have roots in windmills.

Stay tuned to reality.

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I see. Trump has business dealings with the Saudis, so they are exempted from the new order.

Gosh! Fancy great America being ruled by the profit motive. I don't fancy it actually. That is the country that shed its finest young blood liberating itself from English commercial greed.
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Walker wrote:
Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Belinda wrote:Why did Mr Trump not include Saudi Arabia among Muslim countries?
And why not countries that had something to do with 9/11????
Instead of bowing to the Saudi King like his predecessor famously did, maybe he made a deal. The Iran deal of the Obama administration, replete with untraceable cash payoffs, did raise some ire with the royals, which may have roots in windmills.

Stay tuned to reality.

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That's great advice that you would do well to consider for yourself.
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Hobbes' Choice wrote:Petitions
UK Government and Parliament
Petition
Prevent Donald Trump from making a State Visit to the United Kingdom.

Donald Trump should be allowed to enter the UK in his capacity as head of the US Government, but he should not be invited to make an official State Visit because it would cause embarrassment to Her Majesty the Queen.

More detailsSign this petition
1,340,046 signatures

in two days and RISING.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928
Over 1.5 million now.
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Belinda wrote:I see. Trump has business dealings with the Saudis, so they are exempted from the new order.

Gosh! Fancy great America being ruled by the profit motive. I don't fancy it actually. That is the country that shed its finest young blood liberating itself from English commercial greed.
Gotta keep those feet on the ground when walking around with a head in the clouds.

Profit means to derive a benefit.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/profit

The benefit may be an untraceable payoff of cash in mixed denominations and currencies, such as the benefit bestowed upon Iran by Obama in some kind of shady deal in which Iran profited.

Trump’s style of maintaining healthy relations with allies, rather than continuing the policy of stabbing them in the back by selling out their interests to state sponsors of terrorism, is of benefit and thus is profitable to the United States.

Start with the premise that people and nations interact because of the profit motive. Then, the reasons for all that human motion and activity and busyness begin to make more sense, and those frightened by The Trump can begin to venture from safe zones and into the light of understanding.
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Walker, in my very brief post one salient word was 'commercial'.

Moreover business and ethics are not mutually exclusive, as they seem to be with the Trump administration.
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Belinda wrote:Walker, in my very brief post one salient word was 'commercial'.

Moreover business and ethics are not mutually exclusive, as they seem to be with the Trump administration.
In my opinion, Trump is making one crucial mistake in governing style.

He must learn to allow space for the bargaining opponent to save face.

Steamrolling Mexico does nothing for the honor, and this will create bad blood if not staunched and assuaged.

Out of good faith for anyone learning the ropes, President Trump is a quick study, and quite accomplished in assessing reality. Seemingly insecure in the need for perpetual affirmation, however this could be a stylistic device of endearment, purely personality like the spontaneous mudras during speech time.
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