A Challenge to Richard Dawkins and the Atheists

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Looks like my intuition is a bit off, I suspected option one.

Really? I always had him down as a winker.

Watch those typos.

[henry quirk]

"You can't let such as IC play his nasty little games upon a philosophy forum with impunity."

Sure you can. Really, what's he gonna do? Reach through the wi-fi and put his godly fingers into some one's brain?

Now, I'm biased...I like Mannie...I'm also too dumb to get view-shifted...this means his god cooties have no blood to suck.

Seems to me: the only folks who have cause to get panty-twisted are those less than secure in their perspective.

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"thedoc I accept talks in good faith, IC is a piece of philosophical work."

Oh, Doc is just awful...I have it on good authority he rides his iron horse around, mocking folks who opt to walk...and he steals candy from kids, and kids from parents, and parents from jobs, and jobs from minorities, and minorities from native lands and native lands from natives, and...

Doc is a devil (with a crowbar) through and through.

[Immanuel Can]

"You can't let such as IC play his nasty little games upon a philosophy forum with impunity."

Sure you can. Really, what's he gonna do? Reach through the wi-fi and put his godly fingers into some one's brain?

Oh, no! They're onto me! They've figured out my game...that I talk about Theism because I am....A THEIST!

How they saw through my clever ruse I will never know!

I guess my game is up!

Seems to me: the only folks who have cause to get panty-twisted are those less than secure in their perspective.

True, dat.

And that's why we get along, Henry. We can talk without hurting each other's tender little feelings.

But apparently, the world of Atheism needs to be protected from horrible people like me...I might destroy it by blowing a few pixels in its direction...

[henry quirk]

Yeah, a theist who promotes theism: can't have that.

An offense to the eye, and insult to the brain...a foul fart in a crowded elevator.

Makes me wonder about some folks here: if mere words on a screen can get their water boilin', what the hell does the actual sight of a church do to them? Or folks hangin' out on the stoop of a church?

The sensible rule (to me): if the *theist ain't takin' food offa my table, money outta my pocket, or shingles offa the roof over my head, then the theist ain't no one to squander worry over.









*you can substitute any descriptor and my view remains the same (only exception is child molesters...them motherfuckers got to die, even if just sittin' around, watchin' the news...diseased dogs deserve better treatment that child rapers)

[Lacewing]

Oh, no! They're onto me! They've figured out my game...

Oh... a long time ago...

...that I talk about Theism because I am....A THEIST!

No, that's not it.

"You can't let such as IC play his nasty little games upon a philosophy forum with impunity."

Sure you can. Really, what's he gonna do? Reach through the wi-fi and put his godly fingers into some one's brain?

Kind of twisting the context and intent so that you can do your beloved Contrarian Dance, aren't you Henry?

Yes, IC does play lots of nasty little games, and part of the process here is to call that out. You know -- holding people accountable for what they dishonestly and ignorantly claim and do -- can have value in the interest of broader truth and awareness and all that.

[Immanuel Can]

Makes me wonder about some folks here: if mere words on a screen can get their water boilin', what the hell does the actual sight of a church do to them? Or folks hangin' out on the stoop of a church?

Good point. There's that vaunted Atheist "tolerance".

They talk about being "open-minded"; but let someone raise a reasonable doubt about their Atheism, and all the kindness, openness, and self-control goes out the window instantly, it seems. Charity is for those who agree...the dissenters, well, we know what happens to those who take exception to an Atheist state.

The only exception to their hatred of religion appears to be Islam. They seem to love that one. Maybe because it's such a model of tolerance itself. I suppose they must think that a good Atheist state will be one in which only Atheism and Islam are practiced freely: everything else would be shut down.

So much for Atheist tolerance.

And as for the child molesters you mention, I guess they'll "tolerate" them.

That's because the Atheists I've been talking to insist that there is no such thing as "good" and "bad," even in reference to the worst crimes. Having denied the objective grounds to condemn it, what can they do? If nothing is really "good" or "bad," then how can even that horrendous action be "bad"?

In any case, they believe there's no Judgment coming. In this universe, Nobody exists who could even be capable of setting to right those kinds of evil. So, from their perspective, "What can't be helped must be endured," I guess...

Mind you, I'm betting that's not a great consolation to the victims. And I can see it's not a concept of justice you aren't terribly fond of either.

[TSBU]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge45R9qoW_Y

[Arising_uk]

Sure you can. Really, what's he gonna do? Reach through the wi-fi and put his godly fingers into some one's brain? ...

Exactly. As there well may be others who read his stuff and think that he is correctly identifying atheists as being immoral and may well think that this means we can be treated immorally. Unlikely here for sure but still, I'm not into allowing such ideas to go unchallenged. Phil forum and all that.

Now, I'm biased...I like Mannie...I'm also too dumb to get view-shifted...this means his god cooties have no blood to suck.

Me too but not all think as such. Me, I actually don't like him because he's smart enough to know what he is doing.

Seems to me: the only folks who have cause to get panty-twisted are those less than secure in their perspective.

Or those already secure in one who just need a bit more of a push to become fundamentally secure.

Oh, Doc is just awful...I have it on good authority he rides his iron horse around, mocking folks who opt to walk...and he steals candy from kids, and kids from parents, and parents from jobs, and jobs from minorities, and minorities from native lands and native lands from natives, and...

Doc is a devil (with a crowbar) through and through.

Well apart from that I think he's at least open to the idea that atheists can behave morally despite not believing in a sky-father.

[Arising_uk]

Oh, no! They're onto me! They've figured out my game...that I talk about Theism because I am....A THEIST!

But in the main you don't talk about theism do you, you talk much about atheism.

How they saw through my clever ruse I will never know!

I guess my game is up!

From the minute you declared your strawman 'Atheist'.

True, dat.

And that's why we get along, Henry. We can talk without hurting each other's tender little feelings.

Haven't hurt my feelings at all as according to you I don't have any real or true ones.

But apparently, the world of Atheism needs to be protected from horrible people like me...I might destroy it by blowing a few pixels in its direction...

Nope, Philosophy needs to be defended from theologians like you.

[Arising_uk]

Makes me wonder about some folks here: if mere words on a screen can get their water boilin', what the hell does the actual sight of a church do to them? ...

I like churches, as apparently Jesus said you shouldn't pray in one.

Or folks hangin' out on the stoop of a church?

Depends who hung them?

The sensible rule (to me): if the *theist ain't takin' food offa my table, money outta my pocket, or shingles offa the roof over my head, then the theist ain't no one to squander worry over.

Me, I invite the proselytizers in for a cup of tea and a chat. IC's in the pub telling us what's what so a chat back is in order I think, neighborliness an' all that.

[Arising_uk]

They talk about being "open-minded"; but let someone raise a reasonable doubt about their Atheism, and all the kindness, openness, and self-control goes out the window instantly, it seems. Charity is for those who agree...the dissenters, well, we know what happens to those who take exception to an Atheist state.

But it's not a reasonable one is it, as this 'Atheist' does not exist.

The only exception to their hatred of religion appears to be Islam. They seem to love that one. Maybe because it's such a model of tolerance itself. I suppose they must think that a good Atheist state will be one in which only Atheism and Islam are practiced freely: everything else would be shut down. ...

Ah! How Christian of you. In a state where atheism is the norm others can practice what they like as long as they keep it for themselves, it's the theist states where this is not the case.

So much for Atheist tolerance.

Not seeing much of the milk of human kindness from you in your words?

And as for the child molesters you mention, I guess they'll "tolerate" them.

Er!? And the Christian would be doing what?

That's because the Atheists I've been talking to insist that there is no such thing as "good" and "bad," even in reference to the worst crimes. Having denied the objective grounds to condemn it, what can they do? If nothing is really "good" or "bad," then how can even that horrendous action be "bad"?

Who has said this here?

What 'objective' grounds are you asserting? This 'God' of yours, show me such an object?

In any case, they believe there's no Judgment coming. In this universe, Nobody exists who could even be capable of setting to right those kinds of evil. So, from their perspective, "What can't be helped must be endured," I guess...

Er!? No, we are the one's who exist to set such things differently. The judgement has to be made here not in some la-la afterlife. Also, if the judgement is after death by your 'God' who are you to make any judgement in the here and now?

Mind you, I'm betting that's not a great consolation to the victims. ...

Surely they will be in 'heaven' having a high old time singing praises for eternity and gloating over the perpetrators fate? So why should they think they need any consolation now as it's all part of your 'God's' great plan that they suffer now.

And I can see it's not a concept of justice you aren't terribly fond of either.

So old testament eye for an eye eh! Not very Christian of you.

[uwot]

There's that vaunted Atheist "tolerance".

That's your Atheist. Since there is nothing to atheism other than a lack of belief in god, the tolerance is only vaunted in your mind. Given that you won't tolerate being told your god can go fuck itself, you're in no position to preach.

And as for the child molesters you mention, I guess they'll "tolerate" them.

We've had paedophiles on this forum. They had the logical shit kicked out of them. Same with racists. You should do some research before you make disgusting accusations. Trust me; you are tolerated.

[henry quirk]

"Yes, IC does play lots of nasty little games"

No, he doesn't.

His only crime, as far as I can tell, is paintin' all atheists with the same brush, which -- of course - is no different than the way many here paint all theists with the same brush.

[henry quirk]

:...there well may be others who read his stuff and think that he is correctly identifying atheists..."

Such folks are morons. Any one who goes by what some stranger sez without thinkin' it through for themselves is a moron.

You know this, meaning: you are the defender of morons. Thar's your business, of course, but mebbe there are better ways for you to spend your time. I mean, morons -- bein' irredeemable -- ought to fall by the wayside. But, if you wanna carry, and care for, them, that's your time to spend.

Me: kicking 'em to the curb.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

"Yes, IC does play lots of nasty little games"

No, he doesn't.

Umm, yes, he does. Who gave you any authority? Most of the time you are in a coma and indifferent to everything anyway. Just because you claim to like the **** means 'what' exactly? I must say your taste leaves a lot to be desired, so mind your own beeswax and go back to sleep. (Plus, anyone who says 'different than' doesn't deserve to be taken seriously). 'nuf sed'.