A Challenge to Richard Dawkins and the Atheists

[thedoc]

This is completely false and demonstrates a classic error in reasoning with regard to these types of questions.

IC is correct, s57 is wrong.

Could you explain why?

The probability of each roll is 1 in 6 and at best the probabilities is additive at worst it's multiplicative. So 1 in 6 added 200 times is a very high improbability.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

The probability of each roll is 1 in 6 and at best the probabilities is additive at worst it's multiplicative. So 1 in 6 added 200 times is a very high improbability.

But each individual dice roll is 1 in 6. Do you think the dice remembers what was rolled previously?

[thedoc]

Me, I'll stick with my "brave madness".

Sinatra sang, "I did it my way," and yet he's dead now, and that means he's not doing it his way at all. Whatever he thought he achieved, it's all in the past now -- at least for him. So really, what's his boast worth? Not a darn thing.

I have to go with Henry on this one, we have the promise of an afterlife, but in reality most do not 'know' they only believe. Only a few of us have any real knowledge that God is real. Do you have anything that you can claim as proof of God's existence, other than your belief that it is true?

[thedoc]

The probability of each roll is 1 in 6 and at best the probabilities is additive at worst it's multiplicative. So 1 in 6 added 200 times is a very high improbability.

But each individual dice roll is 1 in 6. Do you think the dice remembers what was rolled previously?

No, unless they are loaded dice, and then all bets are off. Proper dice have no memory.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

The probability of each roll is 1 in 6 and at best the probabilities is additive at worst it's multiplicative. So 1 in 6 added 200 times is a very high improbability.

But each individual dice roll is 1 in 6. Do you think the dice remembers what was rolled previously?

No, unless they are loaded dice, and then all bets are off. Proper dice have no memory.

Then what was the reason for your assertion the surreptitious was wrong?

[thedoc]

But each individual dice roll is 1 in 6. Do you think the dice remembers what was rolled previously?

No, unless they are loaded dice, and then all bets are off. Proper dice have no memory.

Then what was the reason for your assertion the surreptitious was wrong?

It was my interpretation that surreptitious57 was claiming that the odds of 6 being rolled 200 times was low, as to be even odds for the entire run, and I agree with IC that the odds are very high. If my assessment of surreptitious57's statement was incorrect, then please enlighten me. Now I agree that the odds of rolling any number 200 times in a row is the same, but those odds are very high for any number. If this is what surreptitious57 is saying, then he and IC are talking past each other.

[Immanuel Can]

Do you have anything that you can claim as proof of God's existence, other than your belief that it is true?

Yes. In fact, there would never be a reason to believe anything that did not have more than you're suggesting. One can never makes something true simply by believing in it. That's true for all of us.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Do you have anything that you can claim as proof of God's existence, other than your belief that it is true?

Yes. In fact, there would never be a reason to believe anything that did not have more than you're suggesting. One can never makes something true simply by believing in it. That's true for all of us.

[Arising_uk]

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Sinatra sang, "I did it my way," and yet he's dead now, and that means he's not doing it his way at all. Whatever he thought he achieved, it's all in the past now -- at least for him. So really, what's his boast worth? Not a darn thing.

Except you're still talking about him.

[Dubious]

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Sinatra sang, "I did it my way," and yet he's dead now, and that means he's not doing it his way at all. Whatever he thought he achieved, it's all in the past now -- at least for him. So really, what's his boast worth? Not a darn thing.

Except you're still talking about him.

As of November 8, 2016, probably Trumps signature song since that's exactly how he did it.

BTW IC, when you're dead you're permanently retired from doing anything. That's what "retirement" is for. God, for example, retired a long time ago; only his evil twin is still active...probably having too much fun on planet Earth.

[Immanuel Can]

BTW IC, when you're dead you're permanently retired from doing anything. That's what "retirement" is for.

Ummm...nobody told you? Sinatra's not "retired." Sorry, old sport...he's dead.

We may still be talking about him, but what good does that do him? If he's dead and there's no God, he's now a random collocation of atoms, and in that state shall abide forever. Or else he's met his Maker...

How much good will proud anthems (or proud emails) do any of us then?

[Immanuel Can]

Now I agree that the odds of rolling any number 200 times in a row is the same, but those odds are very high for any number. If this is what surreptitious57 is saying, then he and IC are talking past each other.

Well, that's not a mistake I was making. He may have understood me to be speaking of "any number," but I distinctly recall specifying 6's, and 200 in a row. I wonder how he could misunderstand.

But on another point, you asked,

Do you have anything that you can claim as proof of God's existence, other than your belief that it is true?

However, you also asserted earlier that you regarded my argument as correct. You wrote,

IC is correct, s57 is wrong.

If so, you cannot possibly be in doubt as to the answer of your question. For one thing (if for no more), the probabilities would then be massively in favour of the Design Hypothesis. That would surely constitute independent evidence for the existence of design...and a Designer.

[henry quirk]

Mannie,

As you will and can, read Steven Brust's 'to Reign in Hell'.

[Immanuel Can]

Mannie,

As you will and can, read Steven Brust's 'to Reign in Hell'.

I don't know of it. I'll look it up.

Thanks.

[henry quirk]

You may find it a good read, if nuthin' else.