A world without privacy.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

You haven't thought it through very thoroughly have you? Who decides who is a 'problem'? You say those in power will be filmed too. What if they decide they don't want to be? And people value privacy for all kinds of reasons. Some people are just 'private'. It's not really anyone else's business why they want privacy.

You sure like to say yourself retoric questions don't you? I decide what is a problem, and you, and everybody decide what are their problems. As I said in the begining of the thread, stay on topic, suppose that they are being filmed. I can talk about how would be impossible to not being filmed in a non distant future, but I don't want to talk about that.

And I don't buy that "some people are just private". But, yes, some people have a deep feeling of hide themselves. Out of the topic too.

I don't know why you start threads. You get so irritable at those who respond (unless they agree with everything you say). I'm only asking you to think.
If you don't want people to pick your posts to bits then don't post.
And it doesn't matter if you 'buy it' or not. Whatever their reasons are THEIR reasons, and they shouldn't have to explain them to anyone.

[Greta]

Very interesting and scarily true Greta. It's the excuse they use when they advocate identity cards: 'If you aren't doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about'. Bullshit. Only a moron trusts those in power, and 'wrong' depends on who is in power.

You can imagine what Rupert "News of the World" Murdoch thinks of privacy. Insurance companies would love access to our DNA data, as would employers, police and other agencies. It's true that if we do no wrong then we should have nothing to hide - as long as we have equal access to government and corporate dealings. Information is power and the imbalance is profound.

Q: What happens when the people access the private stuff of government and industry?

A: Edward Snowden. Julian Assange. Chelsea Manning. Karen Silkwood. Thomas Drake. David Kelly.

Q: What happens when government and industry access our private stuff?

A: Nothing. Usually. Hopefully.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Very interesting and scarily true Greta. It's the excuse they use when they advocate identity cards: 'If you aren't doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about'. Bullshit. Only a moron trusts those in power, and 'wrong' depends on who is in power.

You can imagine what Rupert "News of the World" Murdoch thinks of privacy. Insurance companies would love access to our DNA data, as would employers, police and other agencies. It's true that if we do no wrong then we should have nothing to hide - as long as we have equal access to government and corporate dealings. Information is power and the imbalance is profound.

Q: What happens when the people access the private stuff of government and industry?

A: Edward Snowden. Julian Assange. Chelsea Manning. Karen Silkwood. Thomas Drake. David Kelly.

Q: What happens when government and industry access our private stuff?

A: Nothing. Usually. Hopefully.

Information is power. And when politicians tell you to trust them, you know something is terribly wrong.

[Greta]

When I consider how society will change as populations continue to balloon, there seems a broader general trend towards the elimination of individualism. Not deliberately, but by circumstance. It stands to reason that one person in a tribe of ten is a family member and fully-fledged personality to all, but one person in a society of a hundred million is more like an anonymous cell. Cells work together to form useful tissue, so conformity is "naturally selected" in societies. Once people were "loveable eccentrics", now they are pathologised and attempts at a "cure" are made.

Introversion - the state of those who find that being around other humans all the time is not all it's cracked up to be - is increasingly being pathologised. Meanwhile, society sees no problem with the neurotic responses of many extroverts who whine like neglected puppies when they are left single or alone long enough to almost start thinking. It's the push towards collectivism. Sentience is not always a helpful quality for machine parts and, increasingly, that what we are - part of the machinery of cells.

No one can delete your ability to do whatever you want. If you are a problem for what you call society (other people) they would like to kill you. Every one of them? no one would protect you? But if you aren't a problem, they won't do that.

So if you had a quiet gay affair, would you be fine with that becoming known by strangers? What's the problem? You're not hurting anyone? There's nothing to hide, right?

What if you prefer doggie style? Public knowledge? Small penis, misshapen labia? No problem if you're not hurting anyone, right?

You talk about profit etc, about "cells of a body" (more than half of your posts say the word society or related with it, so puagh for me), but that's absurd.

Funny observation. Yes, society and its future are of interest to me. I don't know what you meant by "puagh".

First of all, because there isn't an entity to feed, there is only people

No institutions? Governments? Companies? The military? These entities have been sucking an increasing proportion from the GDP for years. Why do you think the middle class is shrinking? Because the top end of town is growing.

... Only a moron thinks that power exist like you describe it.

PS: I find this topic more intresting than the one about the killer, but I knew this wasn't going to catch the same attention. Fuck, i feel lonely

I'm pretty sure that Dale Carnegie didn't include "call people a moron" in How To Win Friends and Influence People ...

[Hobbes' Choice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMVV_HsHcX0

-Imp

Gay Icon.

I prefer it when people are OUT. It's more honest.

He looks pretty 'out' to me in that video He doesn't look very 'metallish' does he. In fact, they don't sound like heavy metal to me--more like 80's pop. 'Low-fat' metal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L397TWLwrUU

Yeah. I know but he stayed in till quite late in his career to the horror of many metal fans who thought he was so butch.
I liked heavy rock back then; sabbath, zep, ac/dc. But I always thought he was a bit creepy.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Gay Icon.

I prefer it when people are OUT. It's more honest.

He looks pretty 'out' to me in that video He doesn't look very 'metallish' does he.

Reminds me of a darker, less active and less talented Freddie Mercury after he came out. Funny thing is that in the old days none of this was on anyone's radar. People were surprised when it became "known" that Liberace was gay, which in hindsight is hard to believe. Gays were so oppressed back then that people didn't have a clue. Today, non-gay people have a much better "gaydar" than back then. People weren't even sure if Danny La Rue was gay!

I'm not sure that "everyone" is accurate. As soon as I was old enough to know what 'homo' meant (gay still meant happy), I knew Danny La Rue, Larry Grayson, and Liberace were all raving and obvious homosexuals. But my grandmother was blissfully unaware that her hero Liberace was that way inclined.
It also seems perfectly obvious that Jimmy Savile was a flesh-crawling creepy guy, as far back as 1970.

I think that for anyone born in 1960 or later the issue of homosexuality was better understood, in that it was more openly discussed, and the law against it was being challenged.

But for my mother's generation, the revelation that Tab Hunter, Rock Hudson, and James Dean were all gay was attended with utter disbelief even anger.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

He looks pretty 'out' to me in that video He doesn't look very 'metallish' does he.

Reminds me of a darker, less active and less talented Freddie Mercury after he came out. Funny thing is that in the old days none of this was on anyone's radar. People were surprised when it became "known" that Liberace was gay, which in hindsight is hard to believe. Gays were so oppressed back then that people didn't have a clue. Today, non-gay people have a much better "gaydar" than back then. People weren't even sure if Danny La Rue was gay!

I'm not sure that "everyone" is accurate. As soon as I was old enough to know what 'homo' meant (gay still meant happy), I knew Danny La Rue, Larry Grayson, and Liberace were all raving and obvious homosexuals. But my grandmother was blissfully unaware that her hero Liberace was that way inclined.
It also seems perfectly obvious that Jimmy Savile was a flesh-crawling creepy guy, as far back as 1970.

I think that for anyone born in 1960 or later the issue of homosexuality was better understood, in that it was more openly discussed, and the law against it was being challenged.

But for my mother's generation, the revelation that Tab Hunter, Rock Hudson, and James Dean were all gay was attended with utter disbelief even anger.

I have a very bad gaydar. I used to really fancy Stephen Fry lol.

[TSBU]

I don't know why you start threads. You get so irritable at those who respond (unless they agree with everything you say). I'm only asking you to think.
If you don't want people to pick your posts to bits then don't post.
And it doesn't matter if you 'buy it' or not. Whatever their reasons are THEIR reasons, and they shouldn't have to explain them to anyone.

Information is power. And when politicians tell you to trust them, you know something is terribly wrong.

Information is power, for everybody in this thread, and when politicians ask you to trust them in a world were you can see them all the time, something is terrible stupid.

You mean, why do I get irritable when people start posting music etc in threads, when they talk to themselves, when they get passive or not passive agressive? Ah, whatever my reasons are my reasons and I shouldn't have to explain them to anyone. But, now that is said that you can't or you don't want to explain why do you want to hide, it's enough for me

So if you had a quiet gay affair, would you be fine with that becoming known by strangers? What's the problem? You're not hurting anyone? There's nothing to hide, right?

What if you prefer doggie style? Public knowledge? Small penis, misshapen labia? No problem if you're not hurting anyone, right?

Completely right. Not now, but I had bisexual friends, and the mayor of Berlin was gay. The more "public knowledge" the best I'm going to be treaten. I said more, in that world, there will be no laughs about thath things. Today, if I (Difficult to express :/) put my finger in my nose, or I fart, "oh la la", in that world... hell, everybody farts. If you have a small penis, or yo have some sexual preferences, it would be better to don't have to say it every time. Suppose you want sex or something and you have a small penis, when do you say that? when you are both in bed? Surprise? Well, I guess so. Suppose you like some kind of sex, and you find boring or you find... "too extreme" the other person. Then... again... wouldn't be better to find it before wasting time? Sure, hospital would be more expensive for people with bad adn... on the other hand, doctors would have the possibility to see all your illness and your evolution, information is power, they can act better, and that means: everything is cheaper for everybody. Pfff, you sounds like a coward, what is your deformity? Nobody is perfect, if you don't hurt people, really: People don't give a fuck about others life. In fact, people are usuallly cowards, they just atttack those who seem weak, those who won't counter attack. If you hide something, that show that you are weak.
Now,out of the topic, ina world where everybody can have the best curriculum, the best clinic history, access the better knowlege... do you think people would be happy to hire you (having you as friend or whatever) if you don't show yourself? They won't attack you, they just won't trust you. But ok, you agree with me then: If you care about your privacy, you have something you want to hide. (You are from USA aren't you? looking at the posts in this thread, looks like some places here in europe are more... do as you wish I don'tgive a fuck")

You talk about profit etc, about "cells of a body" (more than half of your posts say the word society or related with it, so puagh for me), but that's absurd.

Funny observation. Yes, society and its future are of interest to me. I don't know what you meant by "puagh".

It's something like..."ugh", maybe. It's what you say when you get something that taste bad in your mouth. When a person talk about society, it alwys smells bad to me.

First of all, because there isn't an entity to feed, there is only people

No institutions? Governments? Companies? The military? These entities have been sucking an increasing proportion from the GDP for years. Why do you think the middle class is shrinking? Because the top end of town is growing.

Pfff, society society society. You talk about individuality and you can't see people one by one, you look at statistics.

I'm pretty sure that Dale Carnegie didn't include "call people a moron" in How To Win Friends and Influence People ...

Fortunately, I'm pretty sure that I don't want to "win" friends and influence "people".

[vegetariantaxidermy]

You mean, why do I get irritable when people start posting music etc in threads, when they talk to themselves, when they get passive or not passive agressive? Ah, whatever my reasons are my reasons and I shouldn't have to explain them to anyone. But, now that is said that you can't or you don't want to explain why do you want to hide, it's enough for me

Hmm, it seems to me you are the one who wants (needs?) to hide. I notice you didn't post your real name on your 'I want to be a serial killer' thread.

[TSBU]

You mean, why do I get irritable when people start posting music etc in threads, when they talk to themselves, when they get passive or not passive agressive? Ah, whatever my reasons are my reasons and I shouldn't have to explain them to anyone. But, now that is said that you can't or you don't want to explain why do you want to hide, it's enough for me

Hmm, it seems to me you are the one who wants (needs?) to hide. I notice you didn't post your real name on your 'I want to be a serial killer' thread.

Yeah, you seem to notice very wrong things all the time. Adán.

[Greta]

Hobbes, you have one up on Veggie and me. My gaydar was terrible until I got to know more people. I wouldn't have picked Stephen Fry back in the day either.

When I was around 11 or so a local boy told me how he was trying to explain to his mother what a "poofter" was (the main insult for "gay" in Sydney at the time). Later in the day they were in a department store when his mum saw an obviously gay man and said in a loud voice, "PETER, IS THAT A POOFTER?". Yikes.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Hobbes, you have one up on Veggie and me. My gaydar was terrible until I got to know more people. I wouldn't have picked Stephen Fry back in the day either.

When I was around 11 or so a local boy told me how he was trying to explain to his mother what a "poofter" was (the main insult for "gay" in Sydney at the time). Later in the day they were in a department store when his mum saw an obviously gay man and said in a loud voice, "PETER, IS THAT A POOFTER?". Yikes.

[TSBU]

Gaydar.

I feel so fucking lonely

[Hobbes' Choice]

Reminds me of a darker, less active and less talented Freddie Mercury after he came out. Funny thing is that in the old days none of this was on anyone's radar. People were surprised when it became "known" that Liberace was gay, which in hindsight is hard to believe. Gays were so oppressed back then that people didn't have a clue. Today, non-gay people have a much better "gaydar" than back then. People weren't even sure if Danny La Rue was gay!

I'm not sure that "everyone" is accurate. As soon as I was old enough to know what 'homo' meant (gay still meant happy), I knew Danny La Rue, Larry Grayson, and Liberace were all raving and obvious homosexuals. But my grandmother was blissfully unaware that her hero Liberace was that way inclined.
It also seems perfectly obvious that Jimmy Savile was a flesh-crawling creepy guy, as far back as 1970.

I think that for anyone born in 1960 or later the issue of homosexuality was better understood, in that it was more openly discussed, and the law against it was being challenged.

But for my mother's generation, the revelation that Tab Hunter, Rock Hudson, and James Dean were all gay was attended with utter disbelief even anger.

I have a very bad gaydar. I used to really fancy Stephen Fry lol.

Ooops.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Hobbes, you have one up on Veggie and me. My gaydar was terrible until I got to know more people. I wouldn't have picked Stephen Fry back in the day either.

When I was around 11 or so a local boy told me how he was trying to explain to his mother what a "poofter" was (the main insult for "gay" in Sydney at the time). Later in the day they were in a department store when his mum saw an obviously gay man and said in a loud voice, "PETER, IS THAT A POOFTER?". Yikes.

I can always tell when a man is looking me over. So generally I can tell a gayer almost immediately I meet him. TV stars are not so easy as meeting in real life.
Women are not so easy, as if they do not check you out, that does not mean they are gay, they might just be on an off day; men tend to have a uniform libido.