Is there a State of Everlasting Bliss?

[attofishpi]

Is it possible that those who have discovered bliss, are not turning a blind eye to the suffering of others, but are trying to show them a better way, by example?

Where is this example that the likes of AIR and D.A.M. are trying to show?...and when a child is starving and the likes of AIR and co come along and spill there air head fluffy duck talk - how is this starving child going to learn from the bollocks in front of them provided courtesy of what amounts to little more than an AIR head spilling waffle.

Bliss is not what you think it is attofishpi... bliss is just another human-centric sensory-based experience because humans manifest as biologically embodied awareness. So they have the capacity to conjure-up endless ideas about how they should think and feel. And the idea that there is a someone who is suffering in life is the mistaken mental identification with being a separate self...so of course that one is going to suffer. This is indeed the cause of all suffering - whereas what we truly are is disembodied, impersonal emptiness, where there is only neutral ''what is'' detachment or contentment. Life really is empty of a self.. we only think we are. The real self is actually the emptiness in which the idea of 'me' and everything else appears. There is no Self. Where was the self before the idea of 'me' appeared? where will the self be when the idea of 'me' no longer appears?

WW1 & 2 prisons of war retreated into their natural mind state of ''no self'' to escape their sufferings. So as you see the mind can work for you in two ways... either you are attached to your suffering or you aren't. The universe does not give a damn about your suffering, it is not human-centric, it's not limited by that human idea. It's ever unconditionally giving, fruitful, abundant and beautifully creative. What it loses, it instantly replaces. Everything that arises will eventually rot and decay...without that function nothing could arise as new. That's the hard fact of life that humans are going to have to come to terms with if they are ever to transcend their imaginary suffering. We have to stop thinking and believing in separate selves existing apart from everything else, it's the only way to stop the madness that is the human mind. So as you see, your suffering is your own making and has nothing to do with the grand scheme of how things actually are.

WW1 & 2 prisons of war retreated into their natural mind state of ''no self'' to escape their sufferings.

Trust me - they were NOT in a state of BLISS.

..waffle waffle waffle pointless drivel...blah blah blah...and you want to tell me 'not how' but that 'you do' have EVERLASTING bliss.

SO STOP BEING A WAFFLER AND TELL ALL US IGNORAMIOUS SIMPLE MINDED FOLK -- - - -how YOU have ETERNAL BLISS. OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.

[Dontaskme]

Trust me - WW1 & 2 prisoners of war - they were NOT in a state of BLISS.

..waffle waffle waffle pointless drivel...blah blah blah...and you want to tell me 'not how' but that 'you do' have EVERLASTING bliss.

SO STOP BEING A WAFFLER AND TELL ALL US IGNORAMIOUS SIMPLE MINDED FOLK -- - - -how YOU have ETERNAL BLISS. OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Bliss is just another word for freedom or liberation from the sense of self.
Liberation does not mean being trapped in a state of no identity. Rather it means being free from attachment to anything, to any identity or self image, but with the ability to engage anything.The one thing most people have wrong about liberation is that they believe that once you see through self, self-image/identity falls away. What actually falls away is your attachment to identity and the need to uphold a self-image at any cost.

There's not even a 'You' to be liberated.The 'You' is a fictitious assumption.In reality "self" is an impossibility. It does not exist in our experience of reality. It cannot. Our experience of reality consists of the environment which conditions our arising thoughts and those thoughts. It also contains the body and the environment that conditions our bodies to act. There is of course an intersection between the environment of the body and that of the mind. For a self to exist it would have to stand outside of this experience of reality. Anything that is outside of our experience of reality ca not exist in our experience of reality. Unconditional freedom is what this is right here and now - now here. Don't make it conditional attofishpi. The condition of your bliss is showing in your responses.
Our self image, or image of ourselves is simply a collection of ideas and concepts about this imaginary self. When we approach life behaving as though the self exists we find that the self image/concept must be continuously maintained and strengthened to give a sense of reality to the self. But thoughts about a self are just that ..thoughts about a self, they do not constitute an actual self. They cannot. In the same way that your thoughts of a unicorn cannot constitute a real unicorn.

Don't drive yourself mad when you don't have a self to drive mad, that's just mad.

[Lacewing]

ten years of doing this 'stop thinking' practicing...

For me it seems like the difference of being somewhere between a frequency of constant, numbing, and intoxicating noise, static, and resistance... or being on a frequency that is vast and wide, open and receptive. As such... I think the frequency can change everything about one's experience... and perhaps even capabilities.

Like you, I typically go onto the "non-thinking" frequency only for brief periods of time... which may be in part due to the fact that humankind seems to be primarily tuned to the noise and all the entertainment that creates... and that's the world I'm participating in and playing in right now. But I know I can go quiet in an instant... and it has appeared to be a phenomenal frequency... like a whole other world of clarity and absolute perfection to be realized.

I once participated in a gathering of about 40 people (Sufi peace dancers) in the woods... and after dancing and singing of peace, we all went quiet and stood there, not moving. At that moment, the wind blew strongly through the group... and it felt as if we were collective spirit, rather than physical bodies. Now of course, that was MY experience... and I'm sure there were some thinkers in the group still on a noisy channel in their own heads... but it certainly seemed that the group dynamic was collectively aligned on the same channel. I felt like I got a sense of what it could be like in community with people who quiet themselves and get "out of the way" of the "larger cosmic/connected flow". Like spirits moving about in collective harmony... and you can truly feel the oneness... rather than physical divisions wrestling with each other.

But I've come to think it's all wondrous... whatever form it's in. And it doesn't matter whether I live in noise or quiet... so I can curse when I want to, and I can bask in utter bliss when I want to. I like exploring the freedom and "art" of doing it all passionately. To me this appears as a temporary stage, upon which movements of infinite creation/potential are playing out. It seems valuable to love it all as equally divine.

[ken]

It seems valuable to love it all as equally divine.

It could only all be loved equally because it is ALL part of the divine oneness.

[Dubious]

Everlasting bliss is a contradiction. Bliss is of the moment the remembrance of which is carried forward and occasionally repeated under the right circumstances. Nothing more.

[attofishpi]

Everlasting bliss is a contradiction. Bliss is of the moment the remembrance of which is carried forward and occasionally repeated under the right circumstances. Nothing more.

HOORAY! Someone finally made the point! Everlasting bliss is as phony as the words and intentions of a bigoted billionaire in his quest to become president.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Reality is Flux, Nothing is everlasting, all is change

[Lacewing]

It seems valuable to love it all as equally divine.

It could only all be loved equally because it is ALL part of the divine oneness.

Perhaps you are trying to point to an ultimate truth(?), but, of course, there are countless perspectives that do not see or think that way. My wording was meant to reach a broad audience who might not usually consider such a thing... and that sentence was part of the message of the entire paragraph:

But I've come to think it's all wondrous... whatever form it's in. And it doesn't matter whether I live in noise or quiet... so I can curse when I want to, and I can bask in utter bliss when I want to. I like exploring the freedom and "art" of doing it all passionately. To me this appears as a temporary stage, upon which movements of infinite creation/potential are playing out. It seems valuable to love it all as equally divine.

I was not trying to define what is -- I was sharing my own experience. If you are trying to amend what I said to point out "how it is", then I think it might be helpful for me to point out to you that it can be helpful in communicating with others to consider that "it can be many ways" from the views of the many. For that reason, I try to present "how it can be" as opposed to "how it is".

[ken]

It seems valuable to love it all as equally divine.

It could only all be loved equally because it is ALL part of the divine oneness.

Perhaps you are trying to point to an ultimate truth(?), but, of course, there are countless perspectives that do not see or think that way. My wording was meant to reach a broad audience who might not usually consider such a thing... and that sentence was part of the message of the entire paragraph:

Yes I fully understand. I was, in a very short way, explaining that even every thing i despise, hate, not want, dislike, et cetera, are still things, which when I am in the right state of Mind, are all things that I can learn from, which leads to grasping a much better way of understanding all there is.

But I've come to think it's all wondrous... whatever form it's in. And it doesn't matter whether I live in noise or quiet... so I can curse when I want to, and I can bask in utter bliss when I want to. I like exploring the freedom and "art" of doing it all passionately. To me this appears as a temporary stage, upon which movements of infinite creation/potential are playing out. It seems valuable to love it all as equally divine.

I was not trying to define what is -- I was sharing my own experience. If you are trying to amend what I said to point out "how it is", then I think it might be helpful for me to point out to you that it can be helpful in communicating with others to consider that "it can be many ways" from the views of the many. For that reason, I try to present "how it can be" as opposed to "how it is".

I apologize if I came across as trying to amend what you said. I certainly was not trying to do that at all.

I was just expressing that from the highest level of consciousness, of all there is, that what I quoted you to is exactly right and how from that level of consciousness it could only be seen that way.

[sthitapragya]

nope. There is wishful thinking that it exists though.

[Dalek Prime]

There pobably is a state of everlasting bliss, but it's non-specific.

Buddhism claims to achieve bliss through non-attachment, or not desiring anything. If you don't want anything, you can't be disappointed when you don't get it.

The problem with humans is their insatiable desire for happiness and pleasure. The more they have the more they want and the more they get the more worry they collect, worry about losing it all, all in the belief it will make them happy. But too much pleasure quickly turns to pain. So happiness can never be found in the fulfilment of getting want you desire. Nothing in reality is happy because it's never been unhappy, once again pleasure and happiness is a human invention. Pain is not a human invention, physical pain is real, it's the natural intelligence of the body warning itself there is something not quite right. Mental pain is energetic emotional pain born of the sense of a separate 'me' living in the world of others, this mental pain is not real...this pain is fleeting and will pass away soon enough when no attention is given to it. Real physical pain does not pass away in the same context, not until attention has been given to it.
Realising you don't always get what you want in life and accepting that is the sure way to living with contentment. Even being born to poor impoverished countries. The Intelligence of the universe provides it's living creatures with the obvious natural senses for survival purposes,, air, sunlight, food, water and comfort in the form of shelter from the elements. That's basically all sentient life needs to function....that is the only heaven that exists and it's right here now...any thing else is paving the road to hell. It's the human mismanagement of earths free naturally given resources that is the cause of all human suffering. It's not the fault of the universe itself. Humans are either their own worse enemy, or they are awake to their amazing potential for greatness and power. The problem is most humans give their power away to others and it gets abused by the greedy and selfish. If we don't abuse our power, we can achieve greatness. But all too often, in our ignorance and laziness we lack the will to discover our own power for what it means to be a successful human experience.

All human suffering is caused by human resource mismanagement? I doubt that. How is stubbing my toe caused by this, exactly? All suffering is caused by the creation of consciousness, without which, there is no suffering. It is the sine quo non of suffering.

[Lacewing]

All suffering is caused by the creation of consciousness, without which, there is no suffering. It is the sine quo non of suffering.

Consciousness alone does not result in suffering, rather it's the wacked-out ideas and beliefs that people come up with (such as the idea that people should never be born) that causes them suffering.

[Dalek Prime]

All suffering is caused by the creation of consciousness, without which, there is no suffering. It is the sine quo non of suffering.

Consciousness alone does not result in suffering, rather it's the wacked-out ideas and beliefs that people come up with (such as the idea that people should never be born) that causes them suffering.

Where is suffering without consciousness, Lacewing?

(Wacked out is just a term you use for ridiculing ideas you don't comprehend. Try reading on the subject first. Then perhaps I'll listen to your petty critique.)

[Lacewing]

Where is suffering without consciousness, Lacewing?

Consciousness is a doorway to ALL KINDS OF THINGS. You are choosing to focus on one area (some idea of "suffering") and make it a big deal. Then you're blaming the doorway of consciousness for that. Take responsibility for your selective viewing.

[sthitapragya]

Where is suffering without consciousness, Lacewing?

Consciousness is a doorway to ALL KINDS OF THINGS. You are choosing to focus on one area (some idea of "suffering") and make it a big deal. Then you're blaming the doorway of consciousness for that. Take responsibility for your selective viewing.

And I completely agree with you, LW. Reality goes on and leaves you with two choices to make at every step. Ignore the bad and focus on the good or ignore the good and focus on the bad. The perspective of life is formed based on which choice you make most often. No one can really say that they only choose one or the other. Everyone chooses both. It is how often and for how long you choose which one that makes the difference and the key to this lies in the acceptance of reality itself. Once you get the hang of that, the first choice keeps becoming increasingly easier.

However, the search for everlasting bliss is utter crap and counterproductive because it makes suffering some kind of monster in your mind that you need to get rid of. Reality ensures that this can never happen. So every suffering becomes magnified for those who are in search of everlasting bliss. There is also the compounded feeling of inadequacy at not having achieved the everlasting bliss every time you suffer. I pity these poor guys who refuse to accept reality.

And what I find really funny is that there are a lot of people who believe life is suffering and yet need to cling on to their belief in God and the everlasting soul which is the one that is doomed to the cycle of re-birth and suffering. I cannot for the life of me fathom how their minds can combine the two.