Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?

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thedoc wrote:
Greatest I am wrote: "That is natures way. The winner gets the breading rights."

Adding qualifiers does not change that the Alpha's fight for the group and protect the females and offspring.
That is natures way. The winner gets the breading rights.

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The winner is not always the biggest and the strongest. Cuttlefish males sometimes disguise themselves as females during mating season to get past the bigger stronger males who are fighting over the other females. It is the females who eventually choose which males will fertilize their eggs, and they do so by choosing which sperm packet from the males they use. Some females prefer the smaller male that used deception to gain access to the females. FYI, Cuttlefish adults die soon after mating, as do many other cephalopods, so there is no fighting to defend the females and young, just for access to the females for mating.
Whichever strategy is best for the small as well as the large will be used.

That does not negate what I said of most mammals.

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Greatest I am wrote:So you think that starving and sick babies and children have turned away from God.
Why do babies starve? Why are the unborn slaughtered so routinely? Why is sickness so common and indiscriminate in this place?

Biblically speaking, it's because we live in an ethos marked by its severance from God, among a people who delight in their emancipation from God. And this is one of the worst things about sin, it seems to me: it cares nothing for the innocent.

Did you think that evil owed it to us to play fair?
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Immanuel Can wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:So you think that starving and sick babies and children have turned away from God.
Why do babies starve? Why are the unborn slaughtered so routinely? Why is sickness so common and indiscriminate in this place?

Biblically speaking, it's because we live in an ethos marked by its severance from God, among a people who delight in their emancipation from God. And this is one of the worst things about sin, it seems to me: it cares nothing for the innocent.

Did you think that evil owed it to us to play fair?
You are a damn fool.

1) Poverty, suffering a death are equally (and often even more) heaped upon the godly and the ungodly.
2) Your stupidity and confusion knows no bounds. You say; "this is one of the worst things about sin, it seems to me: it cares nothing for the innocent. " how meaningless!!! "SIN" has no capacity to care one way or another. Sin has no volition or emotion good or ill. Sin is an idea, not a deity ~Your brain has been fried by the cognitive dissonance between reality and your unfortunate 'faith' in the incoherent.
3) Evil, like wise is not a force of nature but an idea.
4) All you are proving is that God is impotent against the forces of nature.

It's a shame when a person capable of thinking, fails the most basic tests of reason and logic. You ought to be ashamed on the results you allow your brain to spout.
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Greatest I am wrote: If God cannot conform to the best moral actions as indicated above, then he is not worthy of man.

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As if human morals are the best there are. Human morals are seriously lacking in many cases, or have you been living under a rock for the last 2000 years or more.
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Immanuel Can wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:So you think that starving and sick babies and children have turned away from God.
Why do babies starve? Why are the unborn slaughtered so routinely? Why is sickness so common and indiscriminate in this place?

Biblically speaking, it's because we live in an ethos marked by its severance from God, among a people who delight in their emancipation from God. And this is one of the worst things about sin, it seems to me: it cares nothing for the innocent.

Did you think that evil owed it to us to play fair?
I don't know.

Ask your baby killing God, who kills children and babies for what their parents do.

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thedoc wrote:
Greatest I am wrote: If God cannot conform to the best moral actions as indicated above, then he is not worthy of man.

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As if human morals are the best there are. Human morals are seriously lacking in many cases, or have you been living under a rock for the last 2000 years or more.
We do have flaws in our morals and ethics, no argument.

But most of us will not use genocide or have our own sons murdered needlessly. Yahweh did.

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Greatest I am wrote:Ask your baby killing God, who kills children and babies for what their parents do.
You will have to ask Him yourself, when you see Him. For we all will.

However, if you imagine you'll be able to pin on Him what those he's given the gift of freedom have done with it, or to justify yourself while condemning Him for what you don't like, then I think you will find that your momentary sense of triumph will prove very perfidious. That's likely to happen when a Being of perfect knowledge encounters one of very little.

However, in the interest of your personal welfare, I leave you with this thought, from Romans Chapter 3:

“There is none righteous, not even one;

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There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks for God;

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All have turned aside, together they have become useless;
There is none who does good,
There is not even one.”

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“Their throat is an open grave,
With their tongues they keep deceiving,”
“The poison of asps is under their lips”;

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“Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness”;

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“Their feet are swift to shed blood,

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Destruction and misery are in their paths,

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And the path of peace they have not known.”

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“There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God...

Verses 10-18 are fulfilled, in your case, mirrored in your words today. Verse 19 will tell you what your future holds.

Be wise and change your course. I wish you better than you are currently bringing upon yourself.

Be well.
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Greatest I am wrote:Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?
No i am not an 'idol worshipper - but then i am beyond a mere believer.
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attofishpi wrote:
Immanuel Can wrote:Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?
No i am not an 'idol worshipper - but then i am beyond a mere believer.
Actually, I did not write this. It's the header of the strand, as posted above. Your reply is not rightly directed to me. For whom did you intend it?
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Sorry notice my edit :oops:
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attofishpi wrote:Sorry notice my edit :oops:
No problem.
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Immanuel Can wrote:
You will have to ask Him yourself, when you see Him. For we all will.

Be well.

You are a damn fool.

1) Poverty, suffering a death are equally (and often even more) heaped upon the godly and the ungodly.
2) Your stupidity and confusion knows no bounds. You say; "this is one of the worst things about sin, it seems to me: it cares nothing for the innocent. " how meaningless!!! "SIN" has no capacity to care one way or another. Sin has no volition or emotion good or ill. Sin is an idea, not a deity ~Your brain has been fried by the cognitive dissonance between reality and your unfortunate 'faith' in the incoherent.
3) Evil, like wise is not a force of nature but an idea.
4) All you are proving is that God is impotent against the forces of nature.

It's a shame when a person capable of thinking, fails the most basic tests of reason and logic. You ought to be ashamed on the results you allow your brain to spout.
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Greatest I am wrote: Most men will not stoop that low.

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Greatest I am wrote: That does not negate what I said of most mammals.

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You originally said all species,

by Greatest I am » Fri Sep 16, 2016 9:55 am
Greatest I am wrote:
Nature put's females and offspring ahead of the males of all the species I know of.
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Now you are backpedaling to "most mammals", Nice dodge from a position that you couldn't defend, and won't admit that you were wrong.

Apparently your knowledge of species is very selectively limited, only those that fit your specifications.

Where are humans on your arbitrarily sliding scale?
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It is amusing that so many will first condemn the Bible as unreliable for any account, and then attempt to use the words of the Bible to condemn God. Now which is it? is the Bible an inaccurate fiction that should be cast aside? or is it an accurate account of Gods works on this Earth? or is it an account of man's corruption of Gods words? You can't have it all ways at the same time.
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