Why does Greed overtake our Need?

[Dontaskme]

Why does Greed overtake our Need?

Because of the humans belief in lack.

[ken]

"I am, again, NOT here in this forum to express them. I am only here to learn how to express better."

I count eleven question marks in your last necessary posting. Obviously you’re feeling an irresistible need to express your inquisitiveness.

I am not sure about you but if you wanted to learn how to express better, then how would you go about doing that?

I, for one, ask inquisitive questions in order to learn more.

If you are not going to show any courtesy at all by answering even just one of my inquisitive questions, then please do not assume anything whatsoever.

What do you mean by 'need' and/or 'necessary'?

If you are unable to answer the question, then just say so. I, for one, do NOT judge. But just saying because I ask inquisitive questions is a necessary posting just does not mean anything whatsoever. And, just saying that certainly does NOT make what you are saying true, right, nor correct. In fact what you are proposing here is self-defeating if you can not or will not answer any clarifying questions.

You have not once shown any evidence, nor proof, nor even any reasonable comment to back up what you allege is true. Therefore, what you say about moving because of a need does not make any sense at all, to Me.

Is there any reasonable reason why you can NOT or will NOT elaborate on your belief?

[Hobbes' Choice]

For most of the past 200,000 years humans have grubbed around, half-starved, constantly in danger. Only natural then when resources were plentiful that humans would hoard those resources. Greed is the name given to that perfectly natural impulse.

In which case the naturalistic fallacy infects every thing we do.

On the other hand, the question still remains why does greed persist to irrational and self defeating levels?
Reason is also a natural impulse, the answer might lie in the culture that finds greed acceptable against more reasonable and rational steps to share wealth to the good of the whole society.
The world is bigger and more diverse that little America.

[Walker]

"I am, again, NOT here in this forum to express them. I am only here to learn how to express better."

I count eleven question marks in your last necessary posting. Obviously you’re feeling an irresistible need to express your inquisitiveness.

I am not sure about you but if you wanted to learn how to express better, then how would you go about doing that?

I, for one, ask inquisitive questions in order to learn more.

If you are not going to show any courtesy at all by answering even just one of my inquisitive questions, then please do not assume anything whatsoever.

What do you mean by 'need' and/or 'necessary'?

If you are unable to answer the question, then just say so. I, for one, do NOT judge. But just saying because I ask inquisitive questions is a necessary posting just does not mean anything whatsoever. And, just saying that certainly does NOT make what you are saying true, right, nor correct. In fact what you are proposing here is self-defeating if you can not or will not answer any clarifying questions.

You have not once shown any evidence, nor proof, nor even any reasonable comment to back up what you allege is true. Therefore, what you say about moving because of a need does not make any sense at all, to Me.

Is there any reasonable reason why you can NOT or will NOT elaborate on your belief?

I’m simply addressing the thread topic.

You’re off on your own tangent.

[ken]

"I am, again, NOT here in this forum to express them. I am only here to learn how to express better."

I count eleven question marks in your last necessary posting. Obviously you’re feeling an irresistible need to express your inquisitiveness.

I am not sure about you but if you wanted to learn how to express better, then how would you go about doing that?

I, for one, ask inquisitive questions in order to learn more.

If you are not going to show any courtesy at all by answering even just one of my inquisitive questions, then please do not assume anything whatsoever.

What do you mean by 'need' and/or 'necessary'?

If you are unable to answer the question, then just say so. I, for one, do NOT judge. But just saying because I ask inquisitive questions is a necessary posting just does not mean anything whatsoever. And, just saying that certainly does NOT make what you are saying true, right, nor correct. In fact what you are proposing here is self-defeating if you can not or will not answer any clarifying questions.

You have not once shown any evidence, nor proof, nor even any reasonable comment to back up what you allege is true. Therefore, what you say about moving because of a need does not make any sense at all, to Me.

Is there any reasonable reason why you can NOT or will NOT elaborate on your belief?

I’m simply addressing the thread topic.

You’re off on your own tangent.

Your idea of addressing the topic is:

"All you have to do is stop moving and observe yourself. When you next move, you will move because of need. Every movement after that will also be because of need. Everyone only moves because of need. When you see this in yourself then you need less, just as you needed more when you didn’t see the cause of motion."

And, My so called "off on your own tangent" is to ask you to clarify this with questions.

Of which you have yet to answer one clarifying question.

[Walker]

All subsequent postings have been clarifications.

Perhaps the soundtrack will finer tune reception.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4Jo6l9R1ZU

Oompa. Is the want to keep Octoberfest, greed?

[henry quirk]

"why does greed persist to irrational and self defeating levels?"

Context is everything.

Way back when, no degree of 'greed' was irrational or self-defeating. Today, what served humanity well yesterday grinds up against relative plenty and appears as over-reach. Simply, instinct hasn't evolved at the same rate as technology and economy. More simply, Reason is chained to instinct.

And, best I can tell, 'greed' isn't exclusive to America.

[ken]

All subsequent postings have been clarifications.

Are you sure?

Twenty three clarify questions I asked of you, NOT one of your subsequent postings was a clarification to any of My questions.

Oompa. Is the want to keep Octoberfest, greed?

If it is a want that is not needed, then it is greed. To Me, 'needed' refers to can not live nor survive without. If the want causes some people to obtain more stuff (money for example), which could save another person's life, but that stuff is not used for that reason and only used to obtain more wanted stuff for the former person, then that want to keep octoberfest is an unacceptable greed. If however that want to keep octoberfest does not cause harm nor damage to any person, then it could be an acceptable form of greed.

I will not ask you anymore clarifying questions here because you obviously are incapable of answering them or do not want to.

[Walker]

Howdy.

You wrote all that just because you had to. If you have to do something you need to do it. If you think you had a choice about writing all that or not, then realize that your thinking is oxymoronic because you chose as you had to choose. When you do what you need to do, you do it because you must. The evidence that anything must be, is the being of that thing. This is why folks feel unsettled in fast-changing times. So much that must be is rushing into being as the doubling time for knowledge decreases, apparently according to some scheme mapped by mathematics when you listen to the futurists. And folks are unsettled, rioting in the streets, doing all kinds of mean and nasty things.

Interesting this need to make public declarations of intent. Happens all the time. Such an act has powerful consequences down the line, and just may be encoded into the brain/body for focusing of attention, which reasoning indicates would have increased survival odds when patiently waiting out a jaguar or hitting the live target with a spear in just the right place for the desired effect under less than optimal conditions (like when hunting crocodile.)

Those who attend Octoberfest need to do that. That should clarify everything. (Dusts off hands.) Moving on.

Greed is a possible cause of the need. Greed is an imbalance. The little boy who eats spoonfuls of salt is not greedy for salt. His body is imbalanced, likely born that way. He does what he does to balance things out, which causes natural movement odd as the motion may seem. If he lives near a salt mine he is in luck. He will live and propagate and if he passes along the need for salt to a youngster then that youngster will pass it along through generations in the same way. When there’s sufficient salt-eaters to make a tribe then some outsiders marry-in and the tribe grows larger. They build walls of salt that melt during the infrequent rainstorm. The walls keep out the Huns so specialized salt cutters keep blocks in reserve, weathermen become climatologists to predict the future, and politicians grease the skids for salt profiteering.

Surely there’s more to see in that than questions.

[ken]

Howdy.

You wrote all that just because you had to.

Just remember your idea of "had to" is not necessarily My idea of "had to". So just maybe I did NOT "have to"?

If you have to do something you need to do it.

Obviously, but not all things done 'have to' be done, therefore they also do NOT 'need' to be done.

If you think you had a choice about writing all that or not, then realize that your thinking is oxymoronic because you chose as you had to choose.

Needing or having to choose, does not mean the choice I make is a 'need' nor a 'have to'. The choice I make might just be a 'want to'. There is a difference between want and need.

When you do what you need to do, you do it because you must.

Obviously. Just like when you do what you want to do, you do it because you wish.

The evidence that anything must be, is the being of that thing.

Only from a 100% determinism viewpoint.

This is why folks feel unsettled in fast-changing times. So much that must be is rushing into being as the doubling time for knowledge decreases, apparently according to some scheme mapped by mathematics when you listen to the futurists. And folks are unsettled, rioting in the streets, doing all kinds of mean and nasty things.

I think you 'needed' to write, "This is why some folks feel...." Do you know that not all people feel the exact same way in the exact same situation.

Interesting this need to make public declarations of intent. Happens all the time.

All the time?

Such an act has powerful consequences down the line, and just may be encoded into the brain/body for focusing of attention, which reasoning indicates would have increased survival odds when patiently waiting out a jaguar or hitting the live target with a spear in just the right place for the desired effect under less than optimal conditions (like when hunting crocodile.)

Those who attend Octoberfest need to do that. That should clarify everything. (Dusts off hands.) Moving on.

You may think that should clarify everything but I am pretty certain that that does not.

Obviously, ALL of those who attend octoberfest want to do that, and, just as obvious is ALL of those who attended octoberfest would not have died if they did not do that, that is of course unless of some unforeseen situations like accidental death, suicide, or being murdered took place because they did not attend.

Greed is a possible cause of the need. Greed is an imbalance. The little boy who eats spoonfuls of salt is not greedy for salt. His body is imbalanced, likely born that way. He does what he does to balance things out, which causes natural movement odd as the motion may seem. If he lives near a salt mine he is in luck. He will live and propagate and if he passes along the need for salt to a youngster then that youngster will pass it along through generations in the same way. When there’s sufficient salt-eaters to make a tribe then some outsiders marry-in and the tribe grows larger. They build walls of salt that melt during the infrequent rainstorm. The walls keep out the Huns so specialized salt cutters keep blocks in reserve, weathermen become climatologists to predict the future, and politicians grease the skids for salt profiteering.

Surely there’s more to see in that than questions.

Yes there is, and that is a person trying to justify wholeheartedly what they believe is true.