Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?

[thedoc]

Nature put's females and offspring ahead of the males of all the species I know of.

Name any hierarchical animal that send the smaller females to fight ahead of the larger males.

Regards
DL

your knowledge is somewhat limited, the Lion sends the female out to hunt, and bring down the prey, so that the bigger male can then feed.

No argument but the males are the ones who do the fighting when the need arises.

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DL

And the "need" seldom arises, and when it does it's mostly a display of intimidation till the looser runs away, and if it is a new dominate male, the first thing he does is to kill all the previous males offspring, and start his own family. So much for protecting children, especially those of another male.

[Greatest I am]

your knowledge is somewhat limited, the Lion sends the female out to hunt, and bring down the prey, so that the bigger male can then feed.

No argument but the males are the ones who do the fighting when the need arises.

Regards
DL

And the "need" seldom arises, and when it does it's mostly a display of intimidation till the looser runs away, and if it is a new dominate male, the first thing he does is to kill all the previous males offspring, and start his own family. So much for protecting children, especially those of another male.

That is natures way. The winner gets the breading rights.

Regards
DL

[thedoc]

Dogs and chimps have the Alpha males do the fighting for the herd.

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DL

Dogs and Wolves live in packs, and Chimps live in troops.

When a new Alpha male comes to a pride, the first thing they do is to kill the offspring of the previous male, where does you're "women and children first" fit into that scenario? The females are breeding stock and the offspring (children) are killed.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Nature put's females and offspring ahead of the males of all the species I know of.

Name any hierarchical animal that send the smaller females to fight ahead of the larger males.

Regards
DL

You are deluded.
Species do not send anyone 'to fight ahread', not that that is relevant.
And nature does not put any gender ahead of any other since nature has no volition.

Dogs and chimps have the Alpha males do the fighting for the herd.
DL

False.
Dog hunting is an activity for all the pack. Same with chimps.
Not that this is relevant.
Dogs and Chimps do not apply for jobs.

What animals do is not necessarily relevant to human society.
Do male dogs allow female jobs equal assess to university?

For example; after mating many female spiders eat the males. Most animals never see their mothers. Male seahorses nurse their young. Male elephants are complete absent from family life.
Most birds share the burden of parenthood equally - that's what I am proposing.

[Immanuel Can]

Strange that a god who professes to want a personal relationship with all of us never starts one with any of us.

Regards
DL

I suppose you've arrived at that conclusion through the superbly scientific metric of imaginatively projecting your own (absence of) experience of such onto "all of us"?

There could be no other way, of course. And I have no reason to doubt the sincerity of your confession. However, it's just possible that your experience is not all that is available.

[Greatest I am]

Dogs and chimps have the Alpha males do the fighting for the herd.

Regards
DL

Dogs and Wolves live in packs, and Chimps live in troops.

When a new Alpha male comes to a pride, the first thing they do is to kill the offspring of the previous male, where does you're "women and children first" fit into that scenario? The females are breeding stock and the offspring (children) are killed.

I spoke to this already.

"That is natures way. The winner gets the breading rights."

Adding qualifiers does not change that the Alpha's fight for the group and protect the females and offspring.
That is natures way. The winner gets the breading rights.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

You are deluded.
Species do not send anyone 'to fight ahread', not that that is relevant.
And nature does not put any gender ahead of any other since nature has no volition.

Dogs and chimps have the Alpha males do the fighting for the herd.
DL

False.
Dog hunting is an activity for all the pack. Same with chimps.
Not that this is relevant.
Dogs and Chimps do not apply for jobs.

What animals do is not necessarily relevant to human society.
Do male dogs allow female jobs equal assess to university?

For example; after mating many female spiders eat the males. Most animals never see their mothers. Male seahorses nurse their young. Male elephants are complete absent from family life.
Most birds share the burden of parenthood equally - that's what I am proposing.

So you would send a woman to fight for you. Ok champ.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

Strange that a god who professes to want a personal relationship with all of us never starts one with any of us.

Regards
DL

I suppose you've arrived at that conclusion through the superbly scientific metric of imaginatively projecting your own (absence of) experience of such onto "all of us"?

There could be no other way, of course. And I have no reason to doubt the sincerity of your confession. However, it's just possible that your experience is not all that is available.

To think that a supernatural entity is talking to one, means that one is delusional and that delusional one never wonders why a god would be chatting with him while allowing millions to die yearly from preventable causes.

Regards
DL

[thedoc]

To think that a supernatural entity is talking to one, means that one is delusional and that delusional one never wonders why a god would be chatting with him while allowing millions to die yearly from preventable causes.

Regards
DL

You seem to believe that God should conform to human sensibilities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwkgGPvClF4

[Immanuel Can]

To think that a supernatural entity is talking to one, means that one is delusional and that delusional one never wonders why a god would be chatting with him while allowing millions to die yearly from preventable causes.

Regards
DL

Actually, one may well have thought about that. And it just could be that the cause of so much human misery would be that mankind has turned down the relationship with their Ultimate Good, and have, as the phrase goes, "gone astray" and "turned every one to his own way." Life away from the Source of all well-being isn't a very good life, is it?

But as I say, if your cynicism has brought you a life of unremitting joy, delight and wonder, and your own experience is all there is, then you wouldn't consider that, now would you?

[thedoc]

"That is natures way. The winner gets the breading rights."

Adding qualifiers does not change that the Alpha's fight for the group and protect the females and offspring.
That is natures way. The winner gets the breading rights.

Regards
DL

The winner is not always the biggest and the strongest. Cuttlefish males sometimes disguise themselves as females during mating season to get past the bigger stronger males who are fighting over the other females. It is the females who eventually choose which males will fertilize their eggs, and they do so by choosing which sperm packet from the males they use. Some females prefer the smaller male that used deception to gain access to the females. FYI, Cuttlefish adults die soon after mating, as do many other cephalopods, so there is no fighting to defend the females and young, just for access to the females for mating.

[Immanuel Can]

The winner gets the breading rights.

Regards
DL

Cuttlefish...

...probably could use some breading. Shrimp often benefit by it. And chicken...sometimes it needs breading too. And a deep fryer.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Dogs and chimps have the Alpha males do the fighting for the herd.
DL

False.
Dog hunting is an activity for all the pack. Same with chimps.
Not that this is relevant.
Dogs and Chimps do not apply for jobs.

What animals do is not necessarily relevant to human society.
Do male dogs allow female jobs equal assess to university?

For example; after mating many female spiders eat the males. Most animals never see their mothers. Male seahorses nurse their young. Male elephants are complete absent from family life.
Most birds share the burden of parenthood equally - that's what I am proposing.

So you would send a woman to fight for you. Ok champ.

Regards
DL

I understand the the British Army have done that for the first time this week. So, yes. I see no reason a woman cannot fight too.
Not that this conversation has anything to so with that.

[Greatest I am]

To think that a supernatural entity is talking to one, means that one is delusional and that delusional one never wonders why a god would be chatting with him while allowing millions to die yearly from preventable causes.

Regards
DL

You seem to believe that God should conform to human sensibilities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwkgGPvClF4

If God cannot conform to the best moral actions as indicated above, then he is not worthy of man.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

To think that a supernatural entity is talking to one, means that one is delusional and that delusional one never wonders why a god would be chatting with him while allowing millions to die yearly from preventable causes.

Regards
DL

Actually, one may well have thought about that. And it just could be that the cause of so much human misery would be that mankind has turned down the relationship with their Ultimate Good, and have, as the phrase goes, "gone astray" and "turned every one to his own way." Life away from the Source of all well-being isn't a very good life, is it?

But as I say, if your cynicism has brought you a life of unremitting joy, delight and wonder, and your own experience is all there is, then you wouldn't consider that, now would you?

So you think that starving and sick babies and children have turned away from God.

That would be droll if not so stupid.

Regards
DL