Crazy-ass Attention-seekers

[Lacewing]

It appears this post was, i think, regarding 'two people? in particular,' but asking others why these two people behave the way they do, so you could better understand.

There have been many on this forum and OPC... each with their own unique characteristics, but a common trait of speaking at people rather than with them. Most travel on after awhile, when it seems that their game is well revealed, and their credibility lost.

no other person, just like only those two people could explain the real reason why they each mis/behave the way they do. However, based on previous experiences you ain't ever going to get any thing sensible from them. /... Other people would like to and can provide some insight into then and others, but they can not provide the accurate and real reasons and answers for why some other people do what they do.

This may be true. Although I always hold out hope that such people may surprise everyone with some honestly and insight (because I think that's a potential in everyone). Still, I see value in hearing other people's perspectives, and I think the discussion is interesting to have. We can often only GUESS at all sorts of things!

You wrote that your opening post was focused on trying to understand what makes people behave the way they do. Then, you also wrote, "But I usually have a pretty good sense about people and their behaviors." Obviously there is a slight contradiction there

Both things are true. I do have my impressions, and I seek broader insights too.

but what I found, completely unintentionally, in helping Me to understand what makes all people behave the way they do, was concentrating on My self only. I did this by asking the same sort of question you did, and then answering it myself. I was trying to understand why I did what I did do.

I do this too, Ken... but it only reveals so much because I don't typically go into the mindset and such patterns as those I addressed in the opening post. Such characteristics seem foreign to me, in that they go against everything that seems rationale and useful and healthy. Just as I've been shocked to discover all the people who are Trump supporters! It's just outside of my realm of logic, I guess.

I get your point and see the value in it. At the same time, if all I had to do to understand everything was to sit and ask myself, there would be no reason for anyone else in my existence -- and this may actually be part of the problem for the people this thread discusses! They don't really see/hear anyone else of significance -- they are the only ones in their world, and they are convinced that's all there is, and that it is accurate.

[Lacewing]

So I could be blamed for things other than my stupidity. My arrogance and presumption would probably top the list. Whether I am smart or not should not interfere with my ability to recognise that I don't have a perfect understanding in any field.

Very well explained!

A common trait of those whom the opening post refers to, seems to be that they don't acknowledge how much they don't see/know/understand.

[bobevenson]

A common trait of those whom the opening post refers to, seems to be that they don't acknowledge how much they don't see/know/understand.

That's very true, and fortunately, as a divinely inspired prophet of all things spiritual, political and economic, I am totally unaffected by their lack of understanding.

[Hobbes' Choice]

A common trait of those whom the opening post refers to, seems to be that they don't acknowledge how much they don't see/know/understand.

That's very true, and fortunately, as a divinely inspired prophet of all things spiritual, political and economic, I am totally unaffected by their lack of understanding.

Please note the narcissist is utterly unaware of his own failings. In this case failing to communicate his ideas to others do not bother him. To do so would involve engaging in the critique of others and endangering his own house of cards. It is in this way he has protected his set of delusions.

[bobevenson]

In this case failing to communicate his ideas to others do not bother him.

Oh, I'm communicating all right, but is it my fault that you're receiving the message with a brain based on crystal radio technology?
"Crystal radios are the simplest type of radio receiver and can be made with a few inexpensive parts, such as a wire for an antenna, a coil of copper wire for adjustment, a capacitor, a crystal detector, and earphones. Crystal radios are distinct from ordinary radios as they are passive receivers, while other radios use a separate source of electric power such as a battery to amplify the weak radio signal so as to make it louder. Thus, crystal sets produce rather weak sound and must be listened to with sensitive earphones, and can only receive stations within a limited range." -Wikipedia

[Hobbes' Choice]

In this case failing to communicate his ideas to others do not bother him.

Oh, I'm communicating all right, but is it my fault that you're receiving the message with a brain based on crystal radio technology

QED.

As I already said; the narcissist is incapable of considering his own failings.

[bobevenson]

Let me suggest Bose radio technology for a possible brain implant.

[ken]

I don't fool myself that I have the answers to questions I don't understand about quantum physics; I will never have those answers because I don't really understand a word of the subject. I also don't care and I am not interested in trying to acquire the understanding it would take to participate in whatever the debate is there. On top of that, I don't get the maths, nor do I get much simpler maths than the crazy shit those guys use. In that sphere of enquiry, I am definitely too ignorant, and probably too stupid to participate.

I can guarantee you that you are not too stupid.

To learn and understand any thing depends on how much drive, want, and passion you have for learning and understanding that thing.

But I'm not running around a physics forum accusing them all of being shit because they don't understand my glorious insights. Insights that I am unable to express properly and lack the talent to scrutinise for myself.

I have NEVER accused any one, let alone all of them, of being shit. You would not be able to find anything that even remotely resembles I have done anything like that.

I am the one who has informed that I am unable to express properly. Is there something wrong with being honest? "Trying to" use against Me does not work.

How are you so fully informed to know that I do not have the talent to scrutinize My insights?

For you to even have the ability to know My insights, on its own, would be truly amazing, but for you to be able to further know how, and that, I lack the talent to scrutinize THOSE insights would be even further amazing. I would love to know how you gained this talent to know these things, if you would like to share.

If I were to ignore this and go to a physics forum demanding attention and sulking when nobody agreed I had the answers they are seeking, because as far as I was concerned my lazy ignorant half-assed bullshit was better than the real thing.... that would be me copying what you are doing here.

When have I ever sulked?

I have not yet expressed THE answers, so how would I know if any person agreed or not?

I am, again, NOT here in this forum to express them. I am only here to learn how to express better.

Obviously if I am the one who has already made it known on here that I am not yet able to express properly, then I have not expressed properly yet. So, of course you would not know what, you call, My "lazy ignorant half-assed bullshit" IS, and thus you also could not know how close 'it' is or is not to actual reality, yet. Therefore , to presume anything beforehand would appear very foolhardy and naturally a very presumptuous thing to do. The superficial reason for why you would even think I would suggest 'it' is better than the "real" thing only you could outline for us.

So I could be blamed for things other than my stupidity. My arrogance and presumption would probably top the list. Whether I am smart or not should not interfere with my ability to recognize that I don't have a perfect understanding in any field. Especially not in one where I have put in zero effort to learn but still wish to declare myself the best genius ever.

All I have done was explain from the interpretation that I had about something that an author once wrote. I was asked for a definition of a word, so I provided that definition, which I obtained from a dictionary, but that discussion gets brought into this thread.

What is there to actually learn about the love-of-learning. You either have that love or you do not, and if you have a love for learning, then you have it to some degree. I do not think you can learn to have the love-of-learning, philosophy is either something you want to do or not do. From what I have seen learning philosophy is actually unachievable I am yet to get a reply from, or see within the writings, from people who have actually gone to a university/college to study and learn philosophy any clear perspective of what is right and wrong in Life nor anything even remotely close to answering any of the meaningful questions in Life. For example some of the usual replies I get are: "My first philosophy teacher asked me why I wanted to join his class. I spluttered some of that standard shit about wisdom and universal truths and whatnot. He then explained that it's really more an intellectual joyride in a clown car powered by bullshit.

When required to explain what the subject really involves, I usually paraphrase Isiah Berlin's less cynical take on the matter. But secretly I still think Mr. Ellis was bang on the money there."

In other words I did not actually become any wiser in the wisdom of Life. I just learned how to answer the tests given to me in such a way, so that I could get the highest marks and grades that I could from that particular teacher(s) I had.

Obviously from observing the continual confusion between people, which still exists "today", and from observing the warring in the world "nowadays", the so called obvious "shared meaning" of words, which you talk about, is not actually providing human beings with much of an unobstructed and clear view of what reality actually IS and of what is actually true, right, and correct in Life.

Just MAYBE there is another way to look and learn, and see and understand from?

[FlashDangerpants]

When have I ever sulked?

Once more I must ask you, are you taking the piss?

[ken]

When have I ever sulked?

Once more I must ask you, are you taking the piss?

Once more you have not provided any proof. You have again just supplied a response that could be seen, by some, as coming from one with a superior view. But, i must say that I am very impressed with your self diagnosed ability to know the emotional state of another, just through written words. But this ability to "know" another's emotions, without any enquisitive investigation, might be linked to also believing that one knows the 'shared meaning,' between people, and thus is therefore able to accurately "know" what another person means exactly, and "know"how they are truly feeling, just from the words they write down.

i am certainly not able to know for sure what others are exactly mean in their writings. That is why I always remain completely open and make enquiries, instead of making and jumping to assumptions and beliefs.

[surreptitious57]

I am not listened to anywhere else so why not try here?

So which other philosophy forums have you frequented then?
Were you banned or did you just leave of your own free will?

[ken]

I am not listened to anywhere else so why not try here?

So which other philosophy forums have you frequented then?
Were you banned or did you just leave of your own free will?

That quote was meant more in relation to not being heard in face-to-face contact outside of the internet, and philosophy forums. But I have been banned from another philosophy forum.

I have never felt fully heard and understood anywhere or at any time. This is not sulking nor even a complaint. It is just a comment about the reason WHY I am here in this forum seeking attention. I have already explained that I am here in a philosophy forum mainly to just learn how to express better.

[surreptitious57]

There is nothing wrong with the way you are expressing yourself. Furthermore you impress me as a thinker
And so I really hope that you stay here. For you have the making of a great poster with much to contribute

[TSBU]

What is it that makes a few people here create tons of threads that do nothing more than turn themselves into a target for ongoing abuse because of the inane nature of their topics and their self-absorbed behavior, as well as their inability to respond to other posters that question them about the topic and the things they say?

It’s like they’re just throwing stuff at a wall to see if it sticks -OR- they are incapable (like a child) of having a thought without broadcasting it. And they’d rather have abuse than be ignored? Where is the dignity and honor and responsibility for ones behavior/contributions? Where is the courage to stop acting like a self-absorbed child among other adults?

It’s hard to understand how truly intelligent and well-balanced adults could behave in such a way... which suggests all kinds of other disturbing conclusions. Why are these people running around loose in society?

Does anyone have any insights?

They are more. And they are enough for most of jobs. But they are not trully intelligent well-balanced adults, I think that doesn't exist. Also, why do people answer to threads when they think that the purpose of this threads is just seeking attention? Why do they abuse (or try to do so) when they get nothing by doing it? why do they keep answering if they see that they won't understand answers?
Also, I think there is dignity in say what you think if you are really thinking it. Honor... what do you mean by honor? Pride? If someone is ignorant, I prefer those who admit it and try to learn and are honest, than those who keep in silence pretending to be smart. I see more honor in that.

What do you mean by "self-absorbed", can you explain that a little deeper? I can't understand that.

[Lacewing]

why do people answer to threads when they think that the purpose of this threads is just seeking attention?

There are various reasons. Sometimes it's to explore the insanity in search of greater understanding. Sometimes it's to try to alert the person to how messed up they are. Sometimes it's for having as much fun as possible with it.

Why do they abuse (or try to do so) when they get nothing by doing it?

Sometimes I think "abuse" (good-natured, of course) DOES result in getting something from it (as described above).

why do they keep answering if they see that they won't understand answers?

Same reasons as above. But yes, sometimes it just becomes too tiresome and stupid to continue dealing with.

Also, I think there is dignity in say what you think if you are really thinking it.

Hmm... I don't know about that. There are some very "undignified" people spewing all sorts of crazy stuff they believe.

Honor... what do you mean by honor?

Being honest, caring, and responsible with one's words/actions, whether or not someone else will ever know it.

If someone is ignorant, I prefer those who admit it and try to learn and are honest, than those who keep in silence pretending to be smart. I see more honor in that.

See, you know what honor means!

What do you mean by "self-absorbed", can you explain that a little deeper? I can't understand that.

Focused on themselves alone... instead of considering the impact of their words/actions on others. Listening only to themselves. Talking AT people, rather than WITH people. Intoxicated with what they think, as if it is the only truth in the universe.