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[vegetariantaxidermy]

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You do not understand the image you post.

The image is of a plains elephant; your article is about forest elephants.

Plains elephants are not in immediate danger of extinction. From time to time, their numbers grow so large that culls are introduced as the number of natural predators cannot balance the numbers. Culls prevent further dessertification which is the consequence of overgrazing by elephants and other herbivores.

Elephants so culled, - most often lone males in many African countries are given to the people's of the local villages whose crops have been destroyed by elephants. This provides them with rare and much needed protein.

The image you have posted is in all likelihood part of the process. This of it like a MacDonald's except that Big Mac are responsible for the wholesales destruction of millions of acres of rainforest in Brazil.

It's easy to blame others for the destruction of the world, when you yourself are probably more to blame because of your lifestyle for the ongoing destruction of he ecosystem world-wide; especially since you live in the USA - the world's largest per capita destroyer of the earth

'Culling' is a joke. There are far too many humans, we are the cause of these 'imbalances', and we aren't an endagered species yet. Why not cull us instead? Americans would be a good start, since they are the greediest and least likable, and they greatly approve of human-culling-- having invented and used the most efficient tools for it. We could kick it off with property developers, then perhaps financiers/money launderers, followed closely by those with 'marketing' degrees....Those tossers who drive around the city in shiny, tank-sized wankmobiles, oil company CEOs, arms manufacturers, tobacco comany CEOs, the CIA.....

[Hobbes' Choice]

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You do not understand the image you post.

The image is of a plains elephant; your article is about forest elephants.

Plains elephants are not in immediate danger of extinction. From time to time, their numbers grow so large that culls are introduced as the number of natural predators cannot balance the numbers. Culls prevent further dessertification which is the consequence of overgrazing by elephants and other herbivores.

Elephants so culled, - most often lone males in many African countries are given to the people's of the local villages whose crops have been destroyed by elephants. This provides them with rare and much needed protein.

The image you have posted is in all likelihood part of the process. This of it like a MacDonald's except that Big Mac are responsible for the wholesales destruction of millions of acres of rainforest in Brazil.

It's easy to blame others for the destruction of the world, when you yourself are probably more to blame because of your lifestyle for the ongoing destruction of he ecosystem world-wide; especially since you live in the USA - the world's largest per capita destroyer of the earth

'Culling' is a joke. There are far too many humans, we are the cause of these 'imbalances', and we aren't an endagered species yet. Why not cull us instead? Americans would be a good start, since they are the greediest and least likable, and they greatly approve of human-culling-- having invented and used the most efficient tools for it. We could kick it off with property developers, then perhaps financiers/money launderers, followed closely by those with 'marketing' degrees....Those tossers who drive around the city in shiny, tank-sized wankmobiles would be pretty high up too.

Culling can work. It's not nice, but the alternatives are worse.
What are you going to do? Walking into poverty striken villages and tell them they are not allowed to have children? Who is going to look after them when they are old?
Yes there are too many people but, consider where you live? Where are the deer, the Boars, the Wolves and the Aurochs? They are all gone to provide you with a tarmac road, sanitation, electricity, gas, and all the other benefits of modern life - none of which many Africans enjoy near where elephants roam. No the elephants trample crops - their next meal.

You can complain about people driving wankmobiles, but your lifestyle is burning up more resources on the planet than a thousand villagers trying to eek out a living on the velt.
I love elephants and consider them to be as intelligent and sensitive as any of the finest human beings. But I also recognise that their numbers grow as do human numbers and their interests clash. There is no easy solution.
A complete ban on hunting eventually leads to deforestation, and overcrowding. That is nature's way. Elephant populations reach braking point and they starve to death. So much for nature.
Its easy sitting thousands of miles away in our sanitised and cultivated environment with the natural environment left behind over a thousand years ago. And we yearn for the beauty of Africa where humans' impact has been minimal. We have destroyed our forests and all the wildlife within it, who are we to judge poor farmers with nothing?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

You do not understand the image you post.

The image is of a plains elephant; your article is about forest elephants.

Plains elephants are not in immediate danger of extinction. From time to time, their numbers grow so large that culls are introduced as the number of natural predators cannot balance the numbers. Culls prevent further dessertification which is the consequence of overgrazing by elephants and other herbivores.

Elephants so culled, - most often lone males in many African countries are given to the people's of the local villages whose crops have been destroyed by elephants. This provides them with rare and much needed protein.

The image you have posted is in all likelihood part of the process. This of it like a MacDonald's except that Big Mac are responsible for the wholesales destruction of millions of acres of rainforest in Brazil.

It's easy to blame others for the destruction of the world, when you yourself are probably more to blame because of your lifestyle for the ongoing destruction of he ecosystem world-wide; especially since you live in the USA - the world's largest per capita destroyer of the earth

'Culling' is a joke. There are far too many humans, we are the cause of these 'imbalances', and we aren't an endagered species yet. Why not cull us instead? Americans would be a good start, since they are the greediest and least likable, and they greatly approve of human-culling-- having invented and used the most efficient tools for it. We could kick it off with property developers, then perhaps financiers/money launderers, followed closely by those with 'marketing' degrees....Those tossers who drive around the city in shiny, tank-sized wankmobiles would be pretty high up too.

Culling can work. It's not nice, but the alternatives are worse.
What are you going to do? Walking into poverty striken villages and tell them they are not allowed to have children? Who is going to look after them when they are old?
Yes there are too many people but, consider where you live? Where are the deer, the Boars, the Wolves and the Aurochs? They are all gone to provide you with a tarmac road, sanitation, electricity, gas, and all the other benefits of modern life - none of which many Africans enjoy near where elephants roam. No the elephants trample crops - their next meal.

You can complain about people driving wankmobiles, but your lifestyle is burning up more resources on the planet than a thousand villagers trying to eek out a living on the velt.
I love elephants and consider them to be as intelligent and sensitive as any of the finest human beings. But I also recognise that their numbers grow as do human numbers and their interests clash. There is no easy solution.
A complete ban on hunting eventually leads to deforestation, and overcrowding. That is nature's way. Elephant populations reach braking point and they starve to death. So much for nature.
Its easy sitting thousands of miles away in our sanitised and cultivated environment with the natural environment left behind over a thousand years ago. And we yearn for the beauty of Africa where humans' impact has been minimal. We have destroyed our forests and all the wildlife within it, who are we to judge poor farmers with nothing?

Don't buy it for a second. And I do know what bullshit reasons they give. It's just a bloody joke to say that the pitiful numbers of elephants on the planet are 'too many'. Get rid of all the wankers I listed and I'm sure those hypothetical villagers will be able to go on reproducing to their heart's content. I also suspect that those hypothetical villagers aren't as clueless and callous as the 'West' imagines them to be.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Don't buy it for a second. And I do know what bullshit reasons they give. It's just a bloody joke to say that the pitiful numbers of elephants on the planet are 'too many'.

I don't think you are fully engaged with the post I made.

There are some attempts at solutions.
One is to manage elephant numbers by selling wankers licences to kill elephants at massive prices in the tens of thousands of dollars. You use this money to pay a ranger service to go after poachers. All meat from kills are distributed to local people (many who have been hunting elephant for thousands of years btw). Ivory is sold for profit.
Another is to not burn mountains of ivory, as happens in some countries, but sell it in a regulated market , and use that money also for the ranger service.
If you make elephants pay, that is one way to preserve them.

What is your alternative plan to protect elephants?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Don't buy it for a second. And I do know what bullshit reasons they give. It's just a bloody joke to say that the pitiful numbers of elephants on the planet are 'too many'.

I don't think you are fully engaged with the post I made.

There are some attempts at solutions.
One is to manage elephant numbers by selling wankers licences to kill elephants at massive prices in the tens of thousands of dollars. You use this money to pay a ranger service to go after poachers. All meat from kills are distributed to local people (many who have been hunting elephant for thousands of years btw). Ivory is sold for profit.
Another is to not burn mountains of ivory, as happens in some countries, but sell it in a regulated market , and use that money also for the ranger service.
If you make elephants pay, that is one way to preserve them.

What is your alternative plan to protect elephants?

I already gave it. Did you just say charge people for the privilege to kill elephants, then use the money to protect elephants? Then hand out the elephant meat to hypothetical villagers, who probably don't have large freezers to store great wads of steaming elephant flesh.....

[Hobbes' Choice]

Don't buy it for a second. And I do know what bullshit reasons they give. It's just a bloody joke to say that the pitiful numbers of elephants on the planet are 'too many'.

I don't think you are fully engaged with the post I made.

There are some attempts at solutions.
One is to manage elephant numbers by selling wankers licences to kill elephants at massive prices in the tens of thousands of dollars. You use this money to pay a ranger service to go after poachers. All meat from kills are distributed to local people (many who have been hunting elephant for thousands of years btw). Ivory is sold for profit.
Another is to not burn mountains of ivory, as happens in some countries, but sell it in a regulated market , and use that money also for the ranger service.
If you make elephants pay, that is one way to preserve them.

What is your alternative plan to protect elephants?

I already gave it.

You mean THIS?
Get rid of all the wankers I listed and I'm sure those hypothetical villagers will be able to go on reproducing to their heart's content

Good luck with that. Are you going to stalk them all and stab them in the back? Or do you have something less sophisticated?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Good luck with that. Are you going to stalk them all and stab them in the back? Or do you have something less sophisticated?

Considering there's no solution EXCEPT to get rid of a large percentage of the human population then my solution is just as sensible as yours. Don't worry. I'm sure the US will solve it in the not-too-distant future. Why have all those toys when you can't play with them?

[Arising_uk]

No.
Nationalise Ivory trade and put the money into rangers and eco-management.

You'd trust African politicians with this?

Why not privatize to the locals and just tax the profits, as if it's about preserving them I still think private vested interests would solve the problem. I'm not sure if its anyone else business how they manage their environment but maybe that wasn't your point.

[Hobbes' Choice]

No.
Nationalise Ivory trade and put the money into rangers and eco-management.

You'd trust African politicians with this?

Why not privatize to the locals and just tax the profits, as if it's about preserving them I still think private vested interests would solve the problem. I'm not sure if its anyone else business how they manage their environment but maybe that wasn't your point.

Aside from insulting an entire continent, have you got any solutions?

Are you suggesting we bring back the empire and teach those darkies how to run their own country?

[Hobbes' Choice]

Good luck with that. Are you going to stalk them all and stab them in the back? Or do you have something less sophisticated?

Considering there's no solution EXCEPT to get rid of a large percentage of the human population then my solution is just as sensible as yours. Don't worry. I'm sure the US will solve it in the not-too-distant future. Why have all those toys when you can't play with them?

Yes _ I doubt any elephants will survive that either.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Good luck with that. Are you going to stalk them all and stab them in the back? Or do you have something less sophisticated?

Considering there's no solution EXCEPT to get rid of a large percentage of the human population then my solution is just as sensible as yours. Don't worry. I'm sure the US will solve it in the not-too-distant future. Why have all those toys when you can't play with them?

Yes _ I doubt any elephants will survive that either.

It might be preferable to being shoved in a hypothetical villager's freezer.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Considering there's no solution EXCEPT to get rid of a large percentage of the human population then my solution is just as sensible as yours. Don't worry. I'm sure the US will solve it in the not-too-distant future. Why have all those toys when you can't play with them?

Yes _ I doubt any elephants will survive that either.

It might be preferable to being shoved in a hypothetical villager's freezer.

I mention this because it has been practiced successfully in the past, and engages the local people in the protection of elephants.
They do not have freezers.
I can't tell why you are being so flippant about this. I guess it is because you are most angry at people that enjoy killing than at any serious thoughts about keeping the species of elephants on the planet.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Yes _ I doubt any elephants will survive that either.

It might be preferable to being shoved in a hypothetical villager's freezer.

I mention this because it has been practiced successfully in the past, and engages the local people in the protection of elephants.
They do not have freezers.
I can't tell why you are being so flippant about this. I guess it is because you are most angry at people that enjoy killing than at any serious thoughts about keeping the species of elephants on the planet.

I think I covered the 'freezer' thing earlier. Perhaps I just get overwhelmed by the scale of the 'problem,' the stupidity of humans, and the fact that for every 'solution' there is an equal but opposite problem created. The meddling 'West' creates a bigger mess wherever it meddles. I think we both know that. PC Western immunisation programmes mean that said hypothetical villagers will keep having large numbers of children, but the children will survive, leaving the parents with many more mouths to feed, yet their custom still dictates that they should have many children, and that custom came about in the first place for good reason--they needed to have a lot of children in order to ensure that at least one or two survived infancy. I suppose the warm-fuzzy brigade thinks starving to death is preferable to dying of a disease, and they get brownie points in the mean time, plus, drug companies get lots of guinea pigs to experiment on. Then there are the Malawians who have famine, yet they grow tobacco instead of food.

[Hobbes' Choice]

It might be preferable to being shoved in a hypothetical villager's freezer.

I mention this because it has been practiced successfully in the past, and engages the local people in the protection of elephants.
They do not have freezers.
I can't tell why you are being so flippant about this. I guess it is because you are most angry at people that enjoy killing than at any serious thoughts about keeping the species of elephants on the planet.

I think I covered the 'freezer' thing earlier. Perhaps I just get overwhelmed by the scale of the 'problem,' the stupidity of humans, and the fact that for every 'solution' there is an equal but opposite problem created. The meddling 'West' creates a bigger mess wherever it meddles. I think we both know that. PC Western immunisation programmes mean that said hypothetical villagers will keep having large numbers of children, but the children will survive, leaving the parents with many more mouths to feed, yet their custom still dictates that they should have many children, and that custom came about in the first place for good reason--they needed to have a lot of children in order to ensure that at least one or two survived infancy. I suppose the warm-fuzzy brigade thinks dying of a disease is preferable to starving to death, and they get brownie points in the mean time, plus, drug companies get lots of guinea pigs to experiment on.

We are all going to die. But that does not stop people from wanting children loving them and cherishing their lives. That also means providing for them. Being black and "savage" does not change that.
My ancestors 2000 years ago also faced wild animals and hardships. Sadly there are not more bears, wolves, aurochs, reindeer, or wild boars. We killed them all, tore up the trees and put the land under the plough where it is utterly dependant on chemical industries to squeeze wheat out of the dead soil.
It shall be a sad day when all the gorillas and elephants are dead; not to mention the rest of the various ecosystems all over the world; until the whole planet is nothing more than a cultural landscape - sterile and barren.
But moronic wanky dentist so-called "hunters" might be the focus of the problem but they are a very small tip of the iceberg of massive decline and destruction.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

I mention this because it has been practiced successfully in the past, and engages the local people in the protection of elephants.
They do not have freezers.
I can't tell why you are being so flippant about this. I guess it is because you are most angry at people that enjoy killing than at any serious thoughts about keeping the species of elephants on the planet.

I think I covered the 'freezer' thing earlier. Perhaps I just get overwhelmed by the scale of the 'problem,' the stupidity of humans, and the fact that for every 'solution' there is an equal but opposite problem created. The meddling 'West' creates a bigger mess wherever it meddles. I think we both know that. PC Western immunisation programmes mean that said hypothetical villagers will keep having large numbers of children, but the children will survive, leaving the parents with many more mouths to feed, yet their custom still dictates that they should have many children, and that custom came about in the first place for good reason--they needed to have a lot of children in order to ensure that at least one or two survived infancy. I suppose the warm-fuzzy brigade thinks dying of a disease is preferable to starving to death, and they get brownie points in the mean time, plus, drug companies get lots of guinea pigs to experiment on.

We are all going to die. But that does not stop people from wanting children loving them and cherishing their lives. That also means providing for them. Being black and "savage" does not change that.
My ancestors 2000 years ago also faced wild animals and hardships. Sadly there are not more bears, wolves, aurochs, reindeer, or wild boars. We killed them all, tore up the trees and put the land under the plough where it is utterly dependant on chemical industries to squeeze wheat out of the dead soil.
It shall be a sad day when all the gorillas and elephants are dead; not to mention the rest of the various ecosystems all over the world; until the whole planet is nothing more than a cultural landscape - sterile and barren.
But moronic wanky dentist so-called "hunters" might be the focus of the problem but they are a very small tip of the iceberg of massive decline and destruction.

Callling them 'black and savage' is pretty racist, but typical of PC Western hypocrisy.