Albert Einstein

[surreptitious57]

I am one of the few people who does not think Einstein was necessarily the fountain of knowlege for everything under the Sun

I know of no one who thinks this so far from being one of the very few people who do you are actually one of the very many

Then why is he always being quoted for everything under the Sun ? Just look at the OP

But he is not actually always being quoted for everything under the Sun

The quote in the OP is a specific reference to Einstein thinking about Special Relativity

But public polls show that more physicists place Newton above Einstein in terms of genius anyway

It is only because of popular culture that those who know nothing about him think he was the greatest mind ever

But when you actually study his life you will find that such a reputation excellent as it is is entirely without justification

[vegetariantaxidermy]

But he is not actually always being quoted for everything under the Sun

The quote in the OP is a specific reference to Einstein thinking about Special Relativity

But public polls show that more physicists place Newton above Einstein in terms of genius anyway

It is only because of popular culture that those who know nothing about him think he was the greatest mind ever

But when you actually study his life you will find that such a reputation excellent as it is is entirely without justification

I have nothing against him. He was a very clever and wise man. But many of the things he's quoted for aren't something that anyone with a reasonable aptitude for critical thinking couldn't think of for themselves.

[ken]

Einstein did not have more intelligence than any other human being.

We do not have the same level of intelligence as others.
So Either Einstein was the most stupid person on the planet ever, or you are wrong.

Um.... let me think about that a moment.
No, you are wrong.

Of course I am wrong to you, again. You have stated that a few times already. Never without much explanation of WHY. It is just stated as fact.

Let Me guess, your interpretation of 'intelligence' is absolutely correct, right, and true, so that is WHY I must be wrong.

From My perspective, einstein could be just as stupid as every other human being is, and, no human being has more intelligence than another. This is My view, which again you will quickly point out is WRONG. But, it is just the case that My interpretation of 'intelligence' will not be the same as yours. Or, is it an unambiguous fact, which can not be disputed, that I am wrong? Could there actually be some misunderstanding and/or misinterpreting going on here, which, by the way, could have easily been cleared up first time with some clarifying questioning?

Talking about getting some clarification; who is the 'we', and, who are the 'others' in your first sentence? And, how do you then logically follow and jump from that, to, Einstein was the most stupid person on the planet ever?
And, if that is not the case, then I am therefore wrong?

[Hobbes' Choice]

Einstein did not have more intelligence than any other human being.

We do not have the same level of intelligence as others.
So Either Einstein was the most stupid person on the planet ever, or you are wrong.

Um.... let me think about that a moment.
No, you are wrong.

Of course I am wrong to you, again. You have stated that a few times already. Never without much explanation of WHY. It is just stated as fact.
?

Well duh.

I'm clearly more intelligent than you and for reasons that are obvious because of your answer.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Talking about getting some clarification; who is the 'we', and, who are the 'others' in your first sentence? And, how do you then logically follow and jump from that, to, Einstein was the most stupid person on the planet ever?
And, if that is not the case, then I am therefore wrong?

For fucks sake! Really?

"we" is humanity. and Einstein is one among millions of "us". We all have different abilities and capabilities.
It really does not matter at all how you define intelligence - you are still wrong to say we all are the same in that respect.

I think you just said something poorly considered, and have made this ridiculous step of trying to defend a stupid comment.
But I'll play along...

Please tell me what your definition is of intelligence such that all humans are equally blessed with the same ability.

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[surreptitious57]

no human being has more intelligence than another

You presumably think then that intelligence is uniform rather than across a spectrum?
How therefore do you account for the apparently obvious differences in intelligence?
Are you making a distinction between potential intelligence and actual intelligence?
If everyone is of equal intelligence are exams and qualifications rather superfluous?

[ken]

Looking from the open Mind where imagination exists is more important than looking from the brain

Mind is actually a function of the brain so they are not separate from each other but interconnected

Okay I acknowledge that you believe Mind could not be separate from the brain.

limitless imagination

There is no such thing

Okay, I understood that. That seems to be stated as an actual fact also.

There is a finite limit to the degree of abstract thought a that brain can process

Yes I totally agree to that. Thinking is limited by the brain. That is WHY I wrote what I did about the Mind and the brain.

For you cannot imagine anything which is beyond your actual capability to do so

Yes that is true, in a way, that some of you can not imagine anything which is beyond your actual capability to do so. I have already explained how this actually occurs. When a person has beliefs and is believing then that stops, prevents, and/or reduces their ability, and thus their capability, to imagine anything.

To Me the open Mind is limitless in Its capability to imagine. This is obviously proven by every human made creation. They all had to be imagined prior to any knowledge of it and before they could have ever come into existence. Thus, the reason why human beings continue to learn more, newer and further knowledge all the time. Without the open Mind human beings would be living just like every animal does, i.e., on basic instincts alone. 'You' are not able to gain knowledge and become wiser if you are not open to any new ideas. Given time the open Mind can and will imagine absolutely anything.

[ken]

We do not have the same level of intelligence as others.
So Either Einstein was the most stupid person on the planet ever, or you are wrong.

Um.... let me think about that a moment.
No, you are wrong.

Of course I am wrong to you, again. You have stated that a few times already. Never without much explanation of WHY. It is just stated as fact.
?

Well duh.

I'm clearly more intelligent than you and for reasons that are obvious because of your answer.

Well obviously from your interpretation of 'intelligent', to you, you are far more intelligent than Me. So, again, to you, and which you will continue to keep on insisting, I am WRONG

[ken]

Talking about getting some clarification; who is the 'we', and, who are the 'others' in your first sentence? And, how do you then logically follow and jump from that, to, Einstein was the most stupid person on the planet ever?
And, if that is not the case, then I am therefore wrong?

For fucks sake! Really?

Yes.

I love to learn from the best. And, the best way to learn is from clarifying. The more certain a person is of their knowledge being absolutely right, then the more I can learn from them, and then I can become wise also just like them, and 'you', are.

"we" is humanity. and Einstein is one among millions of "us". We all have different abilities and capabilities.

So, when you said "we" and "others" all you were saying is all human beings. Is that right?

It really does not matter at all how you define intelligence - you are still wrong to say we all are the same in that respect.

Okay I will accept I am wrong to you. This is twice here you have told Me this now.

I think you just said something poorly considered, and have made this ridiculous step of trying to defend a stupid comment.
But I'll play along...

Thank you very much for supplying yet another assumption of Me, and what you assume that I am doing, I really enjoy people making all these assumptions about Me. Although I ask people to stop believing and making assumptions and for people to challenge what I say and ask for clarity they still persist in just making assumptions that they believe are so right and true instead, which by the way are nearly always wrong.

Oh yeah, I will stand on exactly what I have said and can back it up.

Please tell me what your definition is of intelligence such that all humans are equally blessed with the same ability.

...

But did you or did you not just reiterate that: "It really does not matter at all how you define intelligence - you are still wrong to say we all are the same in that respect."

You are confusing the readers here. What is you actually want? Why would I give you My definition of 'intelligence' when it really does not matter at all - and I would still be wrong, no matter what I said?

You have said that I am wrong. I just hope you will stand on exactly what you said and can back it up also like Me.

[ken]

no human being has more intelligence than another

You presumably think then that intelligence is uniform rather than across a spectrum?
How therefore do you account for the apparently obvious differences in intelligence?
Are you making a distinction between potential intelligence and actual intelligence?
If everyone is of equal intelligence are exams and qualifications rather superfluous?

Yes that is My view, but obviously that has to be taken into perspective. (Also, I like how you assumed what My answer would be before I gave it).
What are the obvious, to you, differences in intelligence?
No, I do not see a distinction between potential and actual intelligence. Intelligence is intelligence.
What do exams and qualifications have at all to do with intelligence? To Me those things only have to do with intellect. Not intelligence. But this is because of the obvious fact now that your perception of 'intelligence' and its definition is rather very different than Mine.

[surreptitious57]

To me the open Mind is limitless in Its capability to imagine. This is obviously proven by every human made creation

But those creations were not the product of limitless imagination since if they were they would not need to be improved upon
Future generations of minds capable of doing that obviously possess greater imaginations than the previous generations before
them. This is why your use of limitless in describing imagination is wrong since it is demonstrably not so. Imagination certainly
increases over time. But there is no point at which it becomes absolute. Which is what the term limitless imagination suggests

[FlashDangerpants]

Ken, if your claim is that you are every bit as intelligent as Einstein (or even our resident genius Hexhammer - notoriously the only clever person around these parts!), it's not unfair to ask you to explain this apparent anomaly by giving an account of what intelligence is.

You can surely recognise that the suggestion is highly unintuitive. And being as clever as everyone else, you can see what we can see - which is that it needs justification.

You may feel that HC has demonstrated bad manners in his method of asking. But that remains to be seen, as if all people are, counter-intuitively, equally smart; perhaps this same logic will apply and we may turn out to all be equally polite as well. Either way, the question is dangling and we all would like to know ASAP if we are truly our own private little Einsteins!

[ken]

We do not have the same level of intelligence as others.
So Either Einstein was the most stupid person on the planet ever, or you are wrong.

Um.... let me think about that a moment.
No, you are wrong.

Of course I am wrong to you, again. You have stated that a few times already. Never without much explanation of WHY. It is just stated as fact.
?

Well duh.

I'm clearly more intelligent than you and for reasons that are obvious because of your answer.

Oh I nearly forgot. You never did finish explaining by answering My two last questions:

Talking about getting some clarification; who is the 'we', and, who are the 'others' in your first sentence? And, how do you then logically follow and jump from the first sentence, to, Einstein was the most stupid person on the planet ever?
And, if that is not the case, then I am therefore wrong?

I put them in bold so they are easy to notice. Obviously, to you, I am clearly not as intelligent as you, therefore that is probably the reason why I can not see the logical leap from your first sentence to your second sentence, and then to the logical conclusion that you apparently so easily and quickly jumped to.

You clarified your first sentence as all human beings have different levels of intelligence. Now the logical leap is...?

[surreptitious57]

no human being has more intelligence than another

You presumably think then that intelligence is uniform rather than across a spectrum?
How therefore do you account for the apparently obvious differences in intelligence?
Are you making a distinction between potential intelligence and actual intelligence?
If everyone is of equal intelligence are exams and qualifications rather superfluous?

Yes that is My view but obviously that has to be taken into perspective
( Also I like how you assumed what My answer would be before I gave it )
No I do not see a distinction between potential and actual intelligence. Intelligence is intelligence
What do exams and qualifications have at all to do with intelligence? To Me those things only have to do with intellect

I was not assuming your answer but trying to see what your reasoning was since your position is unusual is it not?
I like the distinction you make between intellect and intelligence but do you not think they are inter connected?
And are not some exams a means of measuring intellect rather than intelligence and do you think they are valid?

[Hobbes' Choice]

Please tell me what your definition is of intelligence such that all humans are equally blessed with the same ability.

...

But did you or did you not just reiterate that: "It really does not matter at all how you define intelligence - you are still wrong to say we all are the same in that respect."

You are confusing the readers here. What is you actually want? Why would I give you My definition of 'intelligence' when it really does not matter at all - and I would still be wrong, no matter what I said?

You have said that I am wrong. I just hope you will stand on exactly what you said and can back it up also like Me.

Come on then. You are claiming that none of us are more intelligent than any other.

So please supply your definition of intelligence that complies with that claim.

I'm waiting....