How God could fail to convey His message?

[thedoc]

Refuse to listen! What that could even mean? People of course could disobey but cannot be so confused when it comes to belief if God really wants to communicate with people.

It could be stated as 'Willful Ignorance' and on another forum I am in a conversation with just such a person, she refuses to hear or see anything that contradicts what she already believes to be true. So if God's message did not coincide with what she already believed to be true, she will reject it as false.

Can God meet people face to face so there is no room left for doubt?

If God chooses to do so, Do you believe that god has no choice in the matter?

[Hobbes' Choice]

It could be stated as 'Willful Ignorance' and on another forum I am in a conversation with just such a person, she refuses to hear or see anything that contradicts what she already believes to be true. So if God's message did not coincide with what she already believed to be true, she will reject it as false.

Can God meet people face to face so there is no room left for doubt?

If God chooses to do so, Do you believe that god has no choice in the matter?

It is a cruel god that lets people die suffering, in fear and alone.

[bahman]

You want Me to answer your questions but you will not answer Mine. And, you will persist with the 'his', for some unknown reason.

Yes hitherto God has failed to convey Its message, to most people.

Seriously, you accept that It fail to convey Its message? Which type of powerful God is it?

Why there is "4000" religions knowing the same fact is because that exact same knowledge/knowing is within ALL human beings.

Simple enough?

I don't understand what you are trying to say here.

Have you ever tried to convince a person who believes otherwise? Even with evidence and proof the absolute Truth, I found, can not even penetrate a strongly held belief.

I cannot convince people that God does exist because I am not God. God however can since It is all powerful.

God does NOT want to convince people of anything. God want people to find and see what is right in Life for and by themselves. God allow all people to find and understand, and do, whatever they want. God provides evidence and the prove to what can also be soundly and validly argued. God shows what is right and wrong in Life. If people are open and want to see and understand this or if they want to keep continuing to believe their own beliefs and assumptions, then that is their choice. They are free to choose whatever they want to do. Also, depending on either way people choose to go this will affect what they find, learn and understand.

We are talking about the fact that why there are too many religion knowing the fact that God is all powerful.

I do NOT believe anything.

But from My perspective yes you are.

You are not making any sense now. What do you mean from your perspective? You are of course sure that I am a person. Why God cannot make a conversation with non-believer?

Okay that is what you believe. But what is the point you are trying to make here.

What is this system of belief that you say does not need to evolve?

God also gave free will to people, so they can choose to listen to God, i.e., the inner knowing, or they can choose to listen to the superficial ego, i.e., their own beliefs. People CAN choose to believe their own views or not believe (in) them. People's views change, just like they do, so if what has been witnessed is believed, then beliefs can and do also change as well. But you may be exactly correct that the 'system of belief' does not need to change at all.

Free will has noting to do with believing in God if God provides enough facts for non-believer.

[bahman]

But this could be completely false. Obviously what has been taught is NOT the knowledge of God. That is as plainly obvious as the words in front of our eyes here. But the coincidence that, as you say, "... we have 4000 religions knowing the fact that we have only one powerful God" has to come from somewhere. That somewhere would obviously have to be from within. People are inspired from within the body. The evidence and proof comes from out of the body. But because of the ridicule i get here for my lengthy replies i will not even begin to explain this any further here.

I don't understand what is your point here.

Do you mean, to you?

To everybody. We simply have no evidence that God exist. People simply believe.

Some times people just can not see things even when those things are directly in front of them and/or within them.

People simply could believe on God if God wants to make them to believe.

This is absolutely totally understandable. The teaching of what God actually does is so wrong. Also, the the absolute lack of any definition given of what God actually is then it is totally understandable that people turn away from all religious teachings. How anyone could believe in what is actually taught has baffled Me for quite some time now.

Good.

You make it much harder to simply talk to while you continue to believe God is something that God is NOT.

How could anything, including God, tell you what exactly God is if you continue to believe God is something different?

God can make me believe what It is. I can even explain to you what I am so I cannot understand how God could fail.

[bahman]

We believe that God is omniscient and omnipotent

Omniscience and omnipotence are mutually incompatible

Why?

[bahman]

Apparently God disagrees with you about that.

How do you know?

God says you're wrong about that too.

How do you know? You are not making any sense.

I'm skeptical of that statement. For how could one possibly become an "Atheist" while having no position about God? It's an outright contradiction. All one could ever be is unthinking about it. The minute one became an "Atheist" one has declared that one is conscious of the idea of God, and is choosing to reject it. And that's simply definitional in what it means to be an "Atheist."

Atheist simply don't believe on God. There is noting to be skeptical about.

He has made it evident, according to Romans 1. You may deny it, but on what basis? How do you know the secrets of others' hearts? If God says He speaks to them, then how do we get the data to prove He hasn't?

I am relaying on strong fact: There are more than 4000 religions. What is your fact that we should believe your God over another God?

[bahman]

We believe that God is omniscient and omnipotent. This means that there should be one true religion. There are about 4000 religions. How God could fail to convey his message?

Well first of all... You bahman are TOTALLY wrong to suggest God is failing to convey his message....
SO NOT SURE WHERE YOU GOT THAT IDEA FROM.

First of all, God is Everything, and yes he is omniscient and omnipotent - but this is not a belief - it is a self evident fact.

Second, since God is Everything and all knowing then he knows the (human being and it's myriad of beliefs) are just the many masks he wears as part of the game of life that he himself invented.

He's pretending to be a separate living human being experiencing life from the perspective of that limited human being. But since God is not bound by limitation he also knows that the limited part of himself will realise or remember in time the unlimited God he is forever.


It was God who wanted to play this game of duality experiencing what it's like to live as separate limitation ....God in his wisdom and generous nature allows everything that could possibly happen to happen.

Even the forgetting part where he pretends to be limited, he doesn't worry about any thing the separate part of himself gets up to because he is all knowing, and already knows that in time the forgetting not/knowing part of himself ..the one that has to depend on faith, will be remembered or realised as being a load of bullshit that he himself created just for the fun of it.


He already knows that humans will remember they are God playing the part of separation, and that's why he allows all sorts of suffering, pains, and evils to happen, he knows with accurate certainty and precision that his separate self which is his own self at all times, and is why he is absolutely confident 110% in knowing that all humans will always turn away from badness and evil, preferring the peace and unconditional love that they already are in the arms of the beloved one.

He knows this without doubt or belief because he is the one that created this whole set up in the first place...In his almighty wisdom he wanted to allow people to be free and think for them self without imposing his will on them, that's the meaning of true love, to allow just about anything to happen without possessing it or judging it as bad or good, wrong or right, because it's all him. It's all safe, it's all perfect, and it's all love right here right now forever and ever.


And I use the word him because that's what you label God as...but I would rather label him as the nameless one.

You bahman are simply barking up the wrong tree with your false assumptions. Get yourself educated for once in your life and stop prattling around in ignorance.

There are over 4000 religions. There should be one religion if God wants to establish Its only religion. What we see is opposite.

[bahman]

You seem to be confusing "could" and "will". You are acting as if God is an Autonomon with no choice in what God does. If you believe that God granted people free will, it would seem to be reasonable to assume that God has free will. Even if everything is determined, it would be reasonable to assume that God had the free will to do so or not.

So you mean that God prefer to leave people in state of confusion? Are you a believer? If yes, why God prefer to guide you and leave other people in state of ignorance? How could you be sure that your belief is correct?

Some people have asked God to leave them alone, so god does.

People desire to be left has nothing to do with believing in God. People should believe in God if they wanted to be left alone.

[bahman]

It could be stated as 'Willful Ignorance' and on another forum I am in a conversation with just such a person, she refuses to hear or see anything that contradicts what she already believes to be true. So if God's message did not coincide with what she already believed to be true, she will reject it as false.

Can God meet people face to face so there is no room left for doubt?

If God chooses to do so, Do you believe that god has no choice in the matter?

So you think that God could wish to leave people in state of doubt at the same time being a believer meaning that you believe that God attempted to Guid you? Your view is not consistent at all.

[ken]

You want Me to answer your questions but you will not answer Mine. And, you will persist with the 'his', for some unknown reason.

Yes hitherto God has failed to convey Its message, to most people.

Seriously, you accept that It fail to convey Its message?

Did you or did not you read My reply? I said God has failed to convey Its message, TO MOST PEOPLE.

So, NO God did NOT fail to convey Its message, to ALL people. What you are asking is like asking, Seriously, you accept that government failed to convey its message? that smoking tobacco and drinking to much alcohol is bad for you. Some people get the message, some just do not listen, others do not want to listen, these people just keep continuing on doing what they want to do instead.

Which type of powerful God is it?

If you believe there is no God, of if you have a preconceived idea of what God is, then what type of ridiculous question is this?

Let us just cut to the chase. Do you believe there is no God?

If not, then this post is just trolling.

No matter what any one says about God, you will NOT accept anything other than what you already believe is true.

Am I right or not?

If you can provide some sort of truthful response that shows you are open to there being a God, then I will answer the rest of your questions. 'Open' also means that you have no preconceived idea of what God is.

[ken]

God can make me believe what It is. I can even explain to you what I am so I cannot understand how God could fail.

I hope you stand up to what you just said here and explain that to Me accurately and succinctly.

Let us see if you actually can explain what you said you can here, or if you actually could and will fail.

[Dontaskme]

We believe that God is omniscient and omnipotent. This means that there should be one true religion. There are about 4000 religions. How God could fail to convey his message?

Well first of all... You bahman are TOTALLY wrong to suggest God is failing to convey his message....
SO NOT SURE WHERE YOU GOT THAT IDEA FROM.

First of all, God is Everything, and yes he is omniscient and omnipotent - but this is not a belief - it is a self evident fact.

Second, since God is Everything and all knowing then he knows the (human being and it's myriad of beliefs) are just the many masks he wears as part of the game of life that he himself invented.

He's pretending to be a separate living human being experiencing life from the perspective of that limited human being. But since God is not bound by limitation he also knows that the limited part of himself will realise or remember in time the unlimited God he is forever.


It was God who wanted to play this game of duality experiencing what it's like to live as separate limitation ....God in his wisdom and generous nature allows everything that could possibly happen to happen.

Even the forgetting part where he pretends to be limited, he doesn't worry about any thing the separate part of himself gets up to because he is all knowing, and already knows that in time the forgetting not/knowing part of himself ..the one that has to depend on faith, will be remembered or realised as being a load of bullshit that he himself created just for the fun of it.


He already knows that humans will remember they are God playing the part of separation, and that's why he allows all sorts of suffering, pains, and evils to happen, he knows with accurate certainty and precision that his separate self which is his own self at all times, and is why he is absolutely confident 110% in knowing that all humans will always turn away from badness and evil, preferring the peace and unconditional love that they already are in the arms of the beloved one.

He knows this without doubt or belief because he is the one that created this whole set up in the first place...In his almighty wisdom he wanted to allow people to be free and think for them self without imposing his will on them, that's the meaning of true love, to allow just about anything to happen without possessing it or judging it as bad or good, wrong or right, because it's all him. It's all safe, it's all perfect, and it's all love right here right now forever and ever.


And I use the word him because that's what you label God as...but I would rather label him as the nameless one.

You bahman are simply barking up the wrong tree with your false assumptions. Get yourself educated for once in your life and stop prattling around in ignorance.

There are over 4000 religions. There should be one religion if God wants to establish Its only religion. What we see is opposite.

Did you not listen to what I said in my repy?

I said Everything is God. Or it works both ways...God is Everything.

That includes the 4000 religions. All of which are Gods stories...In other words ..HIS STORY...where else do you think these religions have come from?

Do you understand Nonduality... yes or no?

I seriously can't believe you are being so dumb about this.

Humans make-up stories about religion.

You don't see animals lining up outside churches mosques or synagogs do you for goodness sake.

God is just another word for what's happening. Life is happening including everything that happens which is making up stories.

[Dontaskme]

If not, then this post is just trolling.

I was thinking the exact same thing only today about bahman, then I read that you wrote this. Seems I'm not going mad after all.

[thedoc]

Can God meet people face to face so there is no room left for doubt?

If God chooses to do so, Do you believe that god has no choice in the matter?

It is a cruel god that lets people die suffering, in fear and alone.

Is it cruel to give people what they ask for?

[thedoc]

Can God meet people face to face so there is no room left for doubt?

If God chooses to do so, Do you believe that god has no choice in the matter?

So you think that God could wish to leave people in state of doubt at the same time being a believer meaning that you believe that God attempted to Guid you? Your view is not consistent at all.

Did you miss the part where I said that I believe that God will respect our wishes, or are you ignoring it.