~ Lies About Your - Self ~

[Arising_uk]

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This is how I picture you...[/url].

I hope you enjoyed


your [img] as it's just an


[img] to me.

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But I'm guessing it'll be derogatory

as whilst you say you don't use words


to do such a thing you certainly use plagiarized


images to do it.

Thank you for participating upon


this important





pointless and futile exercise in


stupidity.



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[ken]

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Okay. So again, you ask me to explain my perspective, then you proceed to:

• 1) TOTALLY ignore my advice.
  
  2) Respond in a-TWO rambling LONG WINDED posts
  
  3) Double-down on your original perspective
  
  4) Respond in a fucking BORING way using NO artistic tools in the toolbox that I just pointed out to you
  
  5) CONTINUE to totally ignore the actual philosophical topic of this thread & choose instead to again ATTEMPT to attack me using the same old ineffective tactics that I just told you about. SHeeech!

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PLEASE - Don't waste your time, mine, or the active forum members. Just keep doing your same shit. Don't ask for advice. CONTINUE to ignore topics, & immediately attack the original poster - WITH THE SAME BORING SCARE QUOTES!

I did NOT in the beginning "totally ignore" the actual philosophical topic of this thread. I asked you questions regarding why you, yourself, lie and why if you know there is a "filter" there you choose to ignore that filter? I have been waiting for you to respond to those questions, but for some unknown reason you prefer to give off-topic advice instead.

I asked for your advice ages ago now, which I responded to, you then gave "advice" again, which i did NOT ask for, but again I replied to it, this is the third time now you have given "advice". I did NOT again ask you for your advice after the first time, you just freely choose to give it. What I have been actually asking for now is for you to answer questions posed to you, not advice. I am still waiting for your perspective on the questions posed, NOT of your perspective of Me nor of my lack of artistic skills in writing.

By the way are you keeping on topic yourself with these self-imposed advice posts.

[sthitapragya]

It is very interesting to see that whenever Bill or Bob start a new topic, the pages fill up very very quickly. Everyone secretly loves both these guys, I think. No one wants to admit it though.

Personally I reply because I cannot stand for them to post their bollocks unchallenged upon a philosophy forum.

I know. I was just taking a dig at everyone.

[ken]

You might want to start by NOT misquoting me.

Where did I misquote you?

But WHY NOT just write without any assumption as I always try to do?

You do not, you cannot.

Do you know how patronizing you sound when you are telling other people what they do not do and can not do?

Did you read what I actually wrote?

In what Universe could you possibly accurately tell another person that they do not and can not try to do something?

Do you really feel that you are that superior to others to even suggest that they do not try and can not try to do something?

There are several assumptions here that I can see in you.

Just saying that there are several assumptions here that you can see in Me does not suffice. Where are the assumptions?

I have asked you previously to provide those assumptions and beliefs.

I, unlike you, do not want to wait ten years to see where I want to change my views. If My view is wrong now, then I want to know now. So, I want you to point out ANY, and ALL if you like, alleged beliefs and assumptions that you see that I have made here in this forum, but which you believe that I can not yet see because the "filter" is what i am.

It's not about what is wrong or right. This is about the values you hold. For some of those values you hold I'll hold the same ones, for others they will be different.

So what are you suggesting here? I am not sure of your reasoning for change of direction here. Your reply has nothing to do with what I was asking you to do, i.e., if I am accused of doing something, then I want to see the proof of it. Otherwise what you have said is untrue.

Or, is this just an answer to defer from actually writing down what you believe are my beliefs and assumptions.

You are just another person who continually wants to tell Me I HAVE beliefs and MAKE assumptions. NOW, see if you can step up and take responsibility for what you say, by actually point ANY beliefs and/or assumptions I have and have made out to Me.

You are assuming that things you type are correct, and that even for value laden statements, there is something which can be gathered that is either true or false.

Well some people do appear to love telling Me that I am wrong.

Can you not see truth or falsehoods in things that are written here by Me?

Obviously you have forgotten or did not read what I wrote before, but I do NOT assume ANYTHING I write is correct. Actually everything I write is open to being correct or incorrect, and it is from others that I want any inconsistencies, which I obviously have not yet noticed, to be corrected.

But regardless, your assumptions change how you read things and see things.

REALLY? I am NOT sure if you have noticed YET but I am the ONE who has been continually pointing out to others TO STOP ASSUMING AS THAT IS NOT ALLOWING THEM TO ACTUALLY READ AND UNDERSTAND THE ACTUAL WORDS THAT I HAVE BEEN PUTTING IN FRONT OF THEM.

Why have you changed to CAPS?

I was showing that I have already been expressing the exact same idea that you have posed here even to the extent that I have had to do it in CAPS. I have used CAPS before because others have continued to make assumptions about about what I write even when I have asked them to stop doing it. Using CAPS was an attempt that they might just start hearing Me and thus stop doing it. I do not know how else to stop people from believing and/or making assumptions.

On further reflection of your first quote here, starting off with, "But regardless, ..." appears to be a totally disrespectful way to ignore the actual questions it would be best that you were answering.

I have been saying all along to stop believing and making assumptions prior to and whilst reading anything as those beliefs and assumptions will prevent you from learning and understanding anything other than that what you already believe and/or assume to be true. Of course if I have been saying that, then, unlike you, I also do NOT speak and write from any beliefs whatsoever, also i try not to assume anything at all prior to and while writing anything.

You are failing miserable. You seem to lack the humility to realise that what you are typing is 90% opinion.

How have I been failing miserably? I do NOT have any beliefs, so I do not write anything that I "believe" to be true, and I try not to assume anything. SO, just like I said that is what I do. Where is the actual failing? Feel free to point any and all of those failings out. You have yet to show one belief or assumption that I have made, so you have failed to point any out so far. Just saying things without evidence or proof is not sufficient.

And, as for lack of humility I will again state that 100% of what I write is just my views and only what i think is right. Obviously how i view things could be wrong, and, if i only think something, then i do not know and thus not sure of its rightness, truthfulness, and/or its correctness. Therefore, absolutely every word I write could be completely wrong or right or partly wrong and right, or have no or some value. I leave absolutely everything i write open to being challenged and questioned, and to be changed when it is shown why it is wrong.There is no need to wait ten years when you, yourself, could show Me what is right now.

PS. I just had a quick zip through your posts to find this:
An empiricist is just as stupid as a relativist. Any person that calls themselves a word, which they really are not, is a person who is not able to learn and understand more. Instead of choosing a model to embrace yourself on, why not just be yourself?
It hold a false and dangerous assumption, that using a label is exhaustive.

I think, using a label to define one's self as one particular thing is a falsehood because a person IS a person. Who or what a person actually IS could be discussed, but to refer to or label a person as some other thing is, in My view, not the right thing to do.

Using a label especially one that ends with a 'ist', from My perspective, is actually dangerous because it causes a rift in people. Labeling people as an 'ist' causes a division with an "us" and "them" mentality.

Do you think/believe this does not happen?

Also, why I said calling yourself anything ending with an 'ist' is stupid because with 'stupid' meaning not intelligent, when a person is being and 'ist', then they are not open other views. Being open is a necessity to being able to continue learning, understanding, and reasoning. This is what being intelligent is. Therefore, if any person labels them or others as an 'ist' and that person is believing in any 'ism', then they are not being open or intelligent and thus only being rather stupid, really.

We have to use labels all the time, and they do not have to exclude other positions.

We do NOT have to use labels all the time, do we?

Do you think All the time is a bit over exaggerated?

We only use labels if we choose to do that, and when we want to do that.

Also, by definition 'labeling' one position/thing, i think, would actually exclude other positions/things. The whole idea of labeling a position/thing is to exclude it from other positions/things, is it not?

For example I can be an atheist and an agnostic; an empiricist and a relativist; a student and a teacher; a son and a father, and a brother.

Can you in all reality be those actual things? Do they actually exist? Try and define them and see how much agreement you get from other people, especially when trying to define an american and an italian; or a jew and a muslim, etc.

Can you be any two or more at the exact same time?

What does it mean to be any one of those things? At that moment you are one of those things you surely would have to be excluding and/or disregarding the others, right?

As I have have also asked previously, why embrace any thing? Why not just be yourself? Ah that is right I forgot, it would have been better to ask if you are able to answer the question, Who am 'I', first? I guess you could NOT be yourself, i.e., who you truly are, if you do not yet know who/what you really are, first.

Why you have problems with this is unknown to me.

If you were really interested in why I allegedly have problems with this, which is unknown to you, then you would have asked Me some inquisitive and clarifying questions. You have not, so I have to "ramble on" with lengthy replies in order to explain everything that, i think, is unknown to you. If you could have just challenged and questioned Me, then that would have made this much shorter and quicker.

I have NO problems here, as you assume I do, regarding this. I only have one problem in Life. But that is another issue.

One reason what I do not like about when people refer to themselves as a specific thing, especially one that ends in 'ist' is if and when they do that, then they are not open to any other different or opposing views. Just look at any example and explain to Me how a person who believes in one 'ism', and as such is an 'ist', can then be truly open to other's points of views.

The other reason what I do not like about when people refer to themselves as any specific thing, other than what they really are, is that they then have become a 'separatist'. They have created an "us" and "them" attitude and barrier. This attitude distorts the whole truth and reality of Life, Itself, whilst the barrier stops them from seeing and understanding the Truth and the Reality of Life.

Although within ALL human beings there are completely understandable and totally different individual thoughts and emotions, ALL human beings are still made up of the exact same things. What all people are actually equally made up of is best known first before any true judgments could be made. There is no "us" and "them". There is only Us. If and when ALL human beings start to realize that, then just maybe they will stop ridiculing, belittling, and killing each other. We will just have to wait and see what happens when others start to catch up in discovering and learning Who 'I' am, also.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Is that long enough? What a dickhead. ↑

[Hobbes' Choice]

If you were really interested in why I allegedly have problems with this, which is unknown to you, then you would have asked Me some inquisitive and clarifying questions. You have not, so I have to "ramble on" with lengthy replies in order to explain everything that, i think, is unknown to you. If you could have just challenged and questioned Me, then that would have made this much shorter and quicker.

I have NO problems here, as you assume I do, regarding this. I only have one problem in Life. But that is another issue.

One reason what I do not like about when people refer to themselves as a specific thing, especially one that ends in 'ist' is if and when they do that, then they are not open to any other different or opposing views. Just look at any example and explain to Me how a person who believes in one 'ism', and as such is an 'ist', can then be truly open to other's points of views.

The other reason what I do not like about when people refer to themselves as any specific thing, other than what they really are, is that they then have become a 'separatist'. They have created an "us" and "them" attitude and barrier. This attitude distorts the whole truth and reality of Life, Itself, whilst the barrier stops them from seeing and understanding the Truth and the Reality of Life.

Although within ALL human beings there are completely understandable and totally different individual thoughts and emotions, ALL human beings are still made up of the exact same things. What all people are actually equally made up of is best known first before any true judgments could be made. There is no "us" and "them". There is only Us. If and when ALL human beings start to realize that, then just maybe they will stop ridiculing, belittling, and killing each other. We will just have to wait and see what happens when others start to catch up in discovering and learning Who 'I' am, also.

I realise as you clim to be autistic that you are likely to have a problem with lack of certainty.
I can also see that the mere mention that the human lack of being able to offer reliable you consider some sort of personal challenge. And that is why your general tone from the outset and been defensive to offensive and bellicose.
In your introductory post you claimed that you enjoyed a challenge. I'm here to tell you that far from that you shun any kind of challenge to your safe area of certainty which you have surrounded yourself with.

[Hobbes' Choice]

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This is how I picture you...[/url].

I hope you enjoyed


your [img] as it's just an


[img] to me.

.

But I'm guessing it'll be derogatory

as whilst you say you don't use words


to do such a thing you certainly use plagiarized


images to do it.

Thank you for participating upon


this important





pointless and futile exercise in


stupidity.



.

THANKS





for SHARING




your


important thoughts with US.

In this important THREAD.

[ken]

If you were really interested in why I allegedly have problems with this, which is unknown to you, then you would have asked Me some inquisitive and clarifying questions. You have not, so I have to "ramble on" with lengthy replies in order to explain everything that, i think, is unknown to you. If you could have just challenged and questioned Me, then that would have made this much shorter and quicker.

I have NO problems here, as you assume I do, regarding this. I only have one problem in Life. But that is another issue.

One reason what I do not like about when people refer to themselves as a specific thing, especially one that ends in 'ist' is if and when they do that, then they are not open to any other different or opposing views. Just look at any example and explain to Me how a person who believes in one 'ism', and as such is an 'ist', can then be truly open to other's points of views.

The other reason what I do not like about when people refer to themselves as any specific thing, other than what they really are, is that they then have become a 'separatist'. They have created an "us" and "them" attitude and barrier. This attitude distorts the whole truth and reality of Life, Itself, whilst the barrier stops them from seeing and understanding the Truth and the Reality of Life.

Although within ALL human beings there are completely understandable and totally different individual thoughts and emotions, ALL human beings are still made up of the exact same things. What all people are actually equally made up of is best known first before any true judgments could be made. There is no "us" and "them". There is only Us. If and when ALL human beings start to realize that, then just maybe they will stop ridiculing, belittling, and killing each other. We will just have to wait and see what happens when others start to catch up in discovering and learning Who 'I' am, also.

I realise as you clim to be autistic that you are likely to have a problem with lack of certainty.
I can also see that the mere mention that the human lack of being able to offer reliable you consider some sort of personal challenge. And that is why your general tone from the outset and been defensive to offensive and bellicose.
In your introductory post you claimed that you enjoyed a challenge. I'm here to tell you that far from that you shun any kind of challenge to your safe area of certainty which you have surrounded yourself with.

Obviously and sadly I am not going to get a challenge from you.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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Now you have a tiny insight into what I face; You simply use the CAP LOCK & you have a fellow active member questioning why?


Just ridiculous for a philosophy forum.


It's sooooooooo beneath the dignity of a membership, ANY membership, I won't even address this again for I actually become emotionally attached & I don't want to let it get to me - or to express this again.


About 7 seconds.


7 seconds is all you have as far as the average attention span upon this forum.


Make you point by then.






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[Arising_uk]

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7 seconds is all you have as far as the average attention span upon this forum.

Make you point by then. [/size]
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My guess here is that you are using some sort of generalised statistic specifically. If so I think it incorrect as upon this forum many have an attention span a lot longer than this as has been ptoven many times.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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...........................................proven [FTFY]




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[Hobbes' Choice]

If you were really interested in why I allegedly have problems with this, which is unknown to you, then you would have asked Me some inquisitive and clarifying questions. You have not, so I have to "ramble on" with lengthy replies in order to explain everything that, i think, is unknown to you. If you could have just challenged and questioned Me, then that would have made this much shorter and quicker.

I have NO problems here, as you assume I do, regarding this. I only have one problem in Life. But that is another issue.

One reason what I do not like about when people refer to themselves as a specific thing, especially one that ends in 'ist' is if and when they do that, then they are not open to any other different or opposing views. Just look at any example and explain to Me how a person who believes in one 'ism', and as such is an 'ist', can then be truly open to other's points of views.

The other reason what I do not like about when people refer to themselves as any specific thing, other than what they really are, is that they then have become a 'separatist'. They have created an "us" and "them" attitude and barrier. This attitude distorts the whole truth and reality of Life, Itself, whilst the barrier stops them from seeing and understanding the Truth and the Reality of Life.

Although within ALL human beings there are completely understandable and totally different individual thoughts and emotions, ALL human beings are still made up of the exact same things. What all people are actually equally made up of is best known first before any true judgments could be made. There is no "us" and "them". There is only Us. If and when ALL human beings start to realize that, then just maybe they will stop ridiculing, belittling, and killing each other. We will just have to wait and see what happens when others start to catch up in discovering and learning Who 'I' am, also.

I realise as you clim to be autistic that you are likely to have a problem with lack of certainty.
I can also see that the mere mention that the human lack of being able to offer reliable you consider some sort of personal challenge. And that is why your general tone from the outset and been defensive to offensive and bellicose.
In your introductory post you claimed that you enjoyed a challenge. I'm here to tell you that far from that you shun any kind of challenge to your safe area of certainty which you have surrounded yourself with.

Obviously and sadly I am not going to get a challenge from you.

not when you start screaming at me.

[Arising_uk]

............................................proven [FTFY].

I guess


I'm just a



looser

then


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[Bill Wiltrack]

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...............................................No. You're NOT a loser. You just surpassed your 7 seconds...






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[Arising_uk]

................................................No. You're NOT a loser. You just surpassed your 7 seconds....

.......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... I surpass


seven seconds all the time




Bill, shame you cannot say



the same


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