~ Lies About Your - Self ~

[Harbal]

Can I watch?

Just move along there, there's nothing to see here.

[thedoc]

Can I watch?

Just move along there, there's nothing to see here.

Just as well, I didn't want to watch you anyhow.

[Harbal]

Just as well, I didn't want to watch you anyhow.

Very wise.

[Lacewing]

Does anyone know what we're talking about?

[Hobbes' Choice]

Haven't you got more pressing matters than this thread to think about?

I'm multi-tasking.

Well, that's what you tell yourself!!

[thedoc]

Does anyone know what we're talking about?

You really have high expectations of this crowd.

[sthitapragya]

It is very interesting to see that whenever Bill or Bob start a new topic, the pages fill up very very quickly. Everyone secretly loves both these guys, I think. No one wants to admit it though.

[ken]

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Lotta words...Lotta bullshit.


I asked you to do something.

Your fear surrounds your-self. Sad.


...and,...the more you talk, the weaker you appear.






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What did you ask Me to do?

What fear are you talking about?

I have already asked you, twice, what do you mean by "weak(er)", you have yet to answer, in case you have forgotten.

[ken]

Not sure where you are going with this...or why you are directing/projecting this thought upon me.

I am one of the few active members here who actually listens to others' opinions.

I actually THANK individuals for their input upon my threads. NO ONE else here would even consider doing this.

I never continue long arguments nor use scare quotes back upon another individual.

I never call other fellow members derogatory names.

I've been doing all this & more for years...so, not really buyin what you're sellin...

If you are not sure where they were going with this, then here is one of your replies to Me.

Lotta words...Lotta bullshit.

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You have the incredible ability to project yourself into others without even knowing that you are doing this. That is where they were going with this.

It may be true I write more words than necessary and/or what others would like Me to write, but if there is/was any "bullshit" in what I wrote, then just simply point it out for all to see. I have no fear of you doing this. Just saying "lotta bullshit", without providing any proof nor evidence, IS NOT really listening to other's opinions, is it? You are the one who says, you are one of the few active members here who actually listens to others' opinions. You may listen but we will never know that by the way you reply.

[ken]

I ALWAYS express myself as honestly as possible however all of my thoughts are expressed through a filter that I cannot remove myself from.

HOW could this possibly happen?

How can a person express as honestly as possible, i.e., absolutely and fully openly and honestly, and then somewhere between expressing and what is expressed, i.e., seen and/or heard, their is some sort of (magical) "filter" that you somehow cannot remove yourself from?

Are you in any way able to elaborate on this?

And all thoughts are an estrangement of reality so...there's that.

So, is this your "excuse" for all the lies you tell?

Are you suggesting that you can not stop telling lies because there is some sort of inexplicable "filter" that you, yourself, can not remove yourself from?

Or, will you in any way explain this so called "filter"?

[Hobbes' Choice]

I ALWAYS express myself as honestly as possible however all of my thoughts are expressed through a filter that I cannot remove myself from.

HOW could this possibly happen?

How can a person express as honestly as possible, i.e., absolutely and fully openly and honestly, and then somewhere between expressing and what is expressed, i.e., seen and/or heard, their is some sort of (magical) "filter" that you somehow cannot remove yourself from?

Are you in any way able to elaborate on this?

It's more obvious in some people that others. You are one of the most obvious.
The filter is constructed of your own beliefs, assumptions and experiences. It does change but as it is what you are you cannot easily from the outside of it.
If you are lucky enough to be a person that grows you can examine that filter by looking at stuff your wrote say ten years back, and can see how your assumptions might have changed. But regardless, your assumptions change how you read things and see things.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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I believe I already told you or someone else here -

You use a LOT of words. That's fine, but in this medium it's not appropriate. Since the advent of the internet TIME is an observers' most valuable commodity. Think about that.


Plus, the more ifs, ands, or buts you use the less powerful your focus statement.

You use scare quotes. That may feel comfortable for you but scare quotes are totally useless. Look, Iv'e stated before ANYTHING that can be intellectualized or verbalized can be disputed. It is embedded within the nature and characteristic of the intellect. So, just scare quoting the poster before you just reveals the angst inside of you & again diminishes your overall effect.



Again, you consistently ask questions but you really don't want an answer. You just double down on your pre-conceived opinions.


So, I know this post is long & I HAVE STATED ALL OF THIS BEFORE but you asked me to respond so -...



AND your posts are fucking boring. In content but ESPECIALLY in presentation. Look above this post box. THERE IS A WHOLE FUCKING PALLET OF TOOLS THAT YOU CAN USE TO MAKE YOUR POSTS EASIER TO READ & MORE EXCITING TO THE ACTIVE OBSERVER. Use your fucking head. Don't be so god-damn selfish.



So, again, go straight ahead & ignore this advice & continue EXACTLY as you have before...then ask me again in a couple of weeks to copy & paste this to your exact SAME question.


You are important to this forum for you are just about the antithesis of what actual philosophy stands for. Don't ever change.







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[Lacewing]

So, again, go straight ahead & ignore this advice & continue EXACTLY as you have before...

As that is how Bill operates.

No, he will not answer any challenging questions about what he says... he'll just make accusations about what others say and think, and lie about his own "upstanding" position, and proclaim what reality is for everyone, and cast his own unique declarations about what is appropriate/smart/honest and what is not on the PN site, and blurt out random twisted things that he has no intention or ability of backing up. Then he'll tell YOU that YOU are an example of what not to be.

Personally, I've seen much more truth in Ken's posts than I have ever seen in Bill's. Ken is genuinely open and inquiring and interested in meeting others "where they are". This is broader and closer to shared truth. Bill is about himself and his delusions, and wants everyone to come "where he is". That is false and very narrow -- how could it not be?

[Lacewing]

It is very interesting to see that whenever Bill or Bob start a new topic, the pages fill up very very quickly. Everyone secretly loves both these guys, I think. No one wants to admit it though.

From my own perspective, I never expect to see something interesting and thought-provoking in their posts -- rather, they appeal to my desire/need to combat absolute absurdity and self-absorbed delusion. They are persistent specimens. It's a thankless task, though. The payoff is in the humor and digressions it generates, and the insightfulness into the human condition and potential. It is true that when nothing else of interest is going on, these guys consistently deliver these opportunities. But there's only so much of it I can indulge in before I seek the clarity of fresh air and broader, sane thinking.

[ken]

I ALWAYS express myself as honestly as possible however all of my thoughts are expressed through a filter that I cannot remove myself from.

HOW could this possibly happen?

How can a person express as honestly as possible, i.e., absolutely and fully openly and honestly, and then somewhere between expressing and what is expressed, i.e., seen and/or heard, their is some sort of (magical) "filter" that you somehow cannot remove yourself from?

Are you in any way able to elaborate on this?

It's more obvious in some people that others. You are one of the most obvious.

Hobbs was this directed at me or bill?