How God could fail to convey His message?

[ken]

NO, that is NOT what I am trying to tell you. Human beings build and drop bombs. Nothing else does..

An omnipotent omniscient god, is responsible for his creation, and you claimed that bombing that child was part of God's purpose.
YOU CLAIMED THAT.
So fucking take responsibility for what you say!

NO THAT IS NOT WHAT I CLAIMED, for two reasons.

1. What I actually claimed, but not specifically written, was the photograph was sent to you for a reason. This is your original post that I was replying to:

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Can you tell me what an omnipotent God is trying to convey here?

See, most people assume, wrongly I might add, that God created ALL things at once, once upon a time.

If God created everything, then that by definition means God is creating everything RIGHT HERE and RIGHT NOW also. Therefore, that PICTURE that was put in front of you, at the time it was, was WHAT the omnipotent God was conveying here. The message that the omnipotent God was "trying" to convey to you IS exactly what I said it was, i.e., "To make you think about WHY you pity this one yet you wish others dead."

And after you thought about that, then you would answer the next question;

"WHY do you only care about some and not ALL?"

2. God creates human beings with free will. God never forces human beings to do anything. God allows them to do whatever they want to do, including making and dropping bombs on themselves. Through this freedom to do anything they want human beings best learn what is truly right and wrong in life, this is HOW the pre-determined future WILL unfold also.

But for now God continues to convey messages to ALL human beings. If they choose to listen or not is another matter. God is not in any hurry. So, if human beings just want to sit there and allow the continual making of and dropping of bombs and the real suffering to continue, then so be it.

God put a picture in front of you so you would think about WHY you care for some, but NOT for others.

You asked, "Can you tell me what an omnipotent God is trying to convey here?" I told you. If you want to listen or not is your choice. What you do with that picture message and how you want to treat (ALL) others is NOW up to you.

[Hobbes' Choice]

NO, that is NOT what I am trying to tell you. Human beings build and drop bombs. Nothing else does..

An omnipotent omniscient god, is responsible for his creation, and you claimed that bombing that child was part of God's purpose.
YOU CLAIMED THAT.
So fucking take responsibility for what you say!

NO THAT IS NOT WHAT I CLAIMED, for two reasons.

1. What I actually claimed, but not specifically written, was the photograph was sent to you for a reason. This is your original post that I was replying to:

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Can you tell me what an omnipotent God is trying to convey here?

See, most people assume, wrongly I might add, that God created ALL things at once, once upon a time. .

Please have the decency to report what was your response to me question. Until you do you are just kidding yourslef.

As regards god not creating the whole universe. that is just a bloody cop out, as well you know.

[bahman]

On which end of the two ends of communication is the real "failure"? Maybe that's the important question.

I don't understand your question. Could you please elaborate?

Yep. Every communication has two ends: the person speaking and the person hearing. Failure can be a result of the speaker not speaking clearly, or of the hearer not being willing to hear.

I simply asked which 'end' is actually at fault in this situation.

I see. I think God can convey His message very clearly to any human being considering that He is omniscient and omnipotent.

[Immanuel Can]

I see. I think God can convey His message very clearly to any human being considering that He is omniscient and omnipotent.

Yes, I would think that's reasonable. So the communication problem can only be on the other end: that is, that people aren't listening, or are hearing but not paying attention.

[thedoc]

So be it.

To you it may not make sense. But, if you were really interested, then you would have asked some sort of inquisitive questioning.

There is a difference between one who is trying to harm you and the other who means you no harm at all. Do you understand the difference?

Yes I do, BUT what has that got to do with anything I wrote and what I was actually replying to?

Sorry that you don't understand what I posted, maybe I'll try again.

[thedoc]

That you don't know any better, is indicative of your not attending college.

"No True Scotsman", good for you. So you've met someone who spent a day on campus, and now you think that everyone who has ever been to college thinks and acts like they do.

[thedoc]

No doc, you got it all wrong, determinism exists for everyone. Freewill exists in the framework of determinism. It's a fact!

It's not a fact, it's an opinion that you hold, But I can't help if you insist on being incorrect.

[thedoc]

Yep. Every communication has two ends: the person speaking and the person hearing. Failure can be a result of the speaker not speaking clearly, or of the hearer not being willing to hear.

I simply asked which 'end' is actually at fault in this situation.

I believe this quote is attributed to Einstein,

"There are 2 things that I believe are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity, but I'm not really sure about the Universe.

[bahman]

I see. I think God can convey His message very clearly to any human being considering that He is omniscient and omnipotent.

Yes, I would think that's reasonable. So the communication problem can only be on the other end: that is, that people aren't listening, or are hearing but not paying attention.

The problem we have in our hands, the subject of this thread, is not why people don't listen or don't pay attention to the rules given by God. The problem is that why we have too many religions, in simple word why people are so scattered on what truth is? There are few option available: (1) There is no God, (2) God doesn't intend to send any message and (3) God is Satanic, meaning that he prefer to keep people in confusion. Which option do you pick up?

[Immanuel Can]

The problem we have in our hands, the subject of this thread, is not why people don't listen or don't pay attention to the rules given by God.

I never said "rules." Your OP says "message." I'm happy to go with that, not "rules."

The problem is that why we have too many religions, in simple word why people are so scattered on what truth is?

Easy. Some are wrong, some are confused, and some aren't listening. In any case, the fault is not on God's side.

There are few option available: (1) There is no God, (2) God doesn't intend to send any message and (3) God is Satanic, meaning that he prefer to keep people in confusion. Which option do you pick up?

False trichotomy. You're not listing all the other possible interpretations, one of which is that God is speaking clearly, but people are refusing to listen.

So I go with option number 4.

[Immanuel Can]

No doc, you got it all wrong, determinism exists for everyone. Freewill exists in the framework of determinism. It's a fact!

It's not a fact, it's an opinion that you hold, But I can't help if you insist on being incorrect.

"It's a fact" is a tell for "I'm hoping you won't question this, because I can't prove it."

[ken]

An omnipotent omniscient god, is responsible for his creation, and you claimed that bombing that child was part of God's purpose.
YOU CLAIMED THAT.
So fucking take responsibility for what you say!

NO THAT IS NOT WHAT I CLAIMED, for two reasons.

1. What I actually claimed, but not specifically written, was the photograph was sent to you for a reason. This is your original post that I was replying to:

Screen Shot 2016-08-20 at 08.29.16.png

Can you tell me what an omnipotent God is trying to convey here?

See, most people assume, wrongly I might add, that God created ALL things at once, once upon a time. .

Please have the decency to report what was your response to me question. Until you do you are just kidding yourslef.

I did report what was My response to your question. You just cut it out when you pasted this.

As regards god not creating the whole universe. that is just a bloody cop out, as well you know.

You are NOT reading what I am writing. I stated unlike what most people assume.....

I was saying, If God created the whole Universe, then that would HAVE to mean God IS creating the whole Universe RIGHT HERE and RIGHT NOW also.

Therefore, God put a PICTURE in front of you, when God did, for the very reasons I have previously explained a couple of times already.

If you want to insist staying with the actual dropping of the bombs regarding your question then that is fine. It is after all your question. But as I have already explained i thought you meant in regards to the picture, itself.

As to the message God conveys to you regarding the dropping of bombs, itself, then that is already self-evident, is it not?

[ken]

I see. I think God can convey His message very clearly to any human being considering that He is omniscient and omnipotent.

Yes, I would think that's reasonable. So the communication problem can only be on the other end: that is, that people aren't listening, or are hearing but not paying attention.

Extremely wise point you are making here immanuel.

Can you see the resemblance between what you have just acknowledged and said here and EVERYTHING I have been saying to you in the other thread?

How many times I have pointed out to you that 'you' have NOT and are NOT listening to the actual message I have been saying? What I have actually said is actually very obvious and apparent to some others because of the actual simplicity of the words that I have written down for ALL to see. Obviously it is not apparent to all at the time of My writing it here, but it will ALL become very obvious and clear in a relatively short period from "now".

[ken]

Yep. Every communication has two ends: the person speaking and the person hearing. Failure can be a result of the speaker not speaking clearly, or of the hearer not being willing to hear.

I simply asked which 'end' is actually at fault in this situation.

I believe this quote is attributed to Einstein,

"There are 2 things that I believe are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity, but I'm not really sure about the Universe.

If the opposite of stupidity is intelligence and 'intelligence' is the ability to learn, understand, and reason. And,
If by being truly open is the only or best way one can learn, understand, and reason more or anew, then by not being open, or other wise known as closed-minded, one is therefore being stupid.

When one is being closed-minded obviously they are not able to listen nor hear properly. Therefore, being truly open(minded) means one is able to listen and hear ALL there is, which then also gives them the 'intelligence', and thus provides them with the ability to learn, understand, and reason any and ALL things.

Whether the Universe is finite or infinite is obvious, and human stupidity could go on forever, but human stupidity can very easily be finite and finished forever if and when they want to stop believing (in) and assuming things.

[ken]

I see. I think God can convey His message very clearly to any human being considering that He is omniscient and omnipotent.

Yes, I would think that's reasonable. So the communication problem can only be on the other end: that is, that people aren't listening, or are hearing but not paying attention.

The problem we have in our hands, the subject of this thread, is not why people don't listen or don't pay attention to the rules given by God. The problem is that why we have too many religions, in simple word why people are so scattered on what truth is?

That is already obvious is it not?

Because from the earliest human beings when evolved to discover that they now knew "right from wrong" as described in a story of adam and eve. From those earliest times human beings have NOT listened properly. They wanted to believe and assume that they, themselves, knew what was right and wrong. Nothing different to "today" really, but anyway that tradition of passing on that mis-conveyed message through ALL the so many different scattered cultures has led to the scattered views on what truth is. Individual people just LOVE to be RIGHT, and that love is passed on down through generation after generation. Because very young people are very open(minded) they have the ability to learn, understand, and reason anything. That is WHY any language can be learned so quick by any child at a very young age, but unfortunately of this openness gives them the ability to learn, understand, and reason absolutely anything, then absolutely anything can be obtained, including this LOVE of wanting to be right is also learned. Then with the added ability of being able to reason absolutely anything human beings learn to reason even things that are completely wrong. That is they can only reason it to themselves, but when that is done in co-operation with the belief-system, then, dare I say it, all "hell" breaks loose. As is apparent in this world we are living in "today".

There are few option available: (1) There is no God, (2) God doesn't intend to send any message and (3) God is Satanic, meaning that he prefer to keep people in confusion. Which option do you pick up?

Or people just do NOT listen to thee collective One, which KNOWS what IS actually right, i.e., thee One known by many names, including God. People just prefer to listen to their own selves and/or the other people that they put on a "pedal stool" and listen to.

I can assure you God/collective One is sending messages. For example every person KNOWS from birth what they NEED to live, i.e., clean enough air, clean enough water, enough nutrients, and attention, without these human beings individually and collectively cease to exist. This is what all human beings NEED and each individually unconsciously KNOWS this from deep within. It is a (God) given (message). Besides also NEEDING an environment to live and keep existing in, namely earth, as it is the ONLY one as far as humans are aware of "today", all else are just wants. If we take 'greed', to mean WANTING more than we NEED, then obviously every adult human being is greedy, and until that is admitted and rectified what will obviously happen and already being shown evidently is that greediness pollutes the air and water all human beings NEED. Deprives some of the little amount of nutrients that all human beings NEED. And, going to "work" in order to obtain money in order to buy all the unnecessary WANTS deprives the most vulnerable and the most influence of the attention they so NEED and WANT.

We all KNOW, from deep within, although unconsciously to most people of "nowadays" what we individually and collectively NEED to live and keep living YET all of us adults override that KNOWING with our each individual THINKING and "try to" justify, to ourselves only, that what we are actually doing for greed is actually the right thing to do, which by ALL accounts IS obviously WRONG.

Sorry for going off-track but the reason WHY people are so scattered on what truth is IS because as adults we unwittingly teach what is wrong in Life as being what is right in Life and because ever young human being is so open and thus able to learn absolutely anything, they also unfortunately also learn to believe what has been taught and passed on to them.

Just look at all the different scattered religions. All based on the exact same basic principles, a knowledge or a KNOWING from deep within each of us, but this got so lost and mis-communicated or scattered because people are so scattered throughout the earth each with their own language and beliefs, which continually get passed on relatively the same but also changing. God does NOT actually speak/convey messages in a language that EVERY human being could easily understand. God "conveys" messages in the already KNOWING, which is actually silence, from deep within. To put that in a easy to be understood by human beings way is to use in one human beings language, i.e., english,
'what it is' 'that' everyone agrees with is THAT KNOWING, or to put it in a way that could be scientifically proven just find out what all human beings could agree with.