"I don't think it is right to equate Islam with violence"

[Dontaskme]

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All the world is a reflection of the one seeing eye.








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East see the seer. And ignore the seen.

West see the seen. And ignore the seer.










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East: The female is honoured as a precious scared thing to be protected by the male.....NOT DOMINATED.

West: The female is unprotected by the male. The flesh is weak and falls into temptation.



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[Immanuel Can]

You're missing the important point, ken, so I'm going to restate it as lucidly as I can.

How are you and I going to settle differences of opinion? What is our mechanism for showing that you're right about something and I'm wrong, or that I'm right and you're wrong?

Until you settle this, we simply have no way to go forward. After that, we can deal with other questions.

[ken]

You're missing the important point, ken, so I'm going to restate it as lucidly as I can.

How are you and I going to settle differences of opinion? What is our mechanism for showing that you're right about something and I'm wrong, or that I'm right and you're wrong?

Until you settle this, we simply have no way to go forward. After that, we can deal with other questions.

Again the first thing you do is jump to an assumption. This time you again make the judgemental call that I am missing the point. That assumption just may be wrong. Have you ever considered that just sometimes maybe it could be you that is wrong and missing the point? Until you start considering this fact, then you will never be open enough to move forward.

I have already moved forward I am waiting for you to catch up.

Let Me explain this as lucidly as i can you believe that interpretations can not distinguish reality from non-reality nor can interpretations distinguish truth from falsehoods. You insist reality and truth exists on their own, without interpretation, and that you know this because you say you know the facts. Therefore, what is there to move forward with? Obviously all the views that are varied from, and/or are opposing, your view, then they are wrong or miguided views. Full stop.

I on the otherha d have said I KNOW HOW to settle all differences of opionions. You, have, bot shown the slightest bit of interest in understanding this further, that is until now. However, you have still not proven that you are you even open enough to learn otherwise of what you already believe is factual and true. So, no matter what I say you will still stick to your beliefs and fight for them.

How you and I can very easily settle differences of opinions is the exact same all people can, but you do not accept that way, and until you at least try that way you will continue believing what you do now. That way I have alreadt explained enough times already. When you look back and want to try that way then get back to Me.

By the way here is a hint of what you could find after trying that way, you will discover and understand that there is no I am right and you are wrong or vice-versa. What is found is agreement and acceptance. And, from this perspective is where actual and real reality and truth are revealed. But like I said you still have a long way to go to catch up.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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[Immanuel Can]

Again the first thing you do is jump to an assumption.

It wasn't an assumption. It was a very simple question. Essentially, it was "on what basis do you wish to resolve our differences of opinion."

If, as it seems below, your answer is "They can't be resolved," then there's no possibility of us talking intelligibly to each other at all, and no possibility of either of us going forward with a line of argument. So if that's what you're saying, then I guess I would say, "Thanks for the chat" and move on...because unless you and I can settle on a means of resolving differences of view, there's no progress.

My episteme says things like logic, evidence and data are relevant for arbitrating differences of view. Yours seems to be that NOTHING will ever do the trick, because permanent "openness" (i.e. the condition of never admitting you know anything for sure) is what you expect.

Okay. But if so, then what? We can't get anywhere.

...you will never be open enough to move forward.

You've got it backwards. My episteme will allow us to move forward. Yours offers us no basis on which to resolve anything.

I on the otherha d have said I KNOW HOW to settle all differences of opionions.

How? Say it again, if you think I'm slow to catch it.

How you and I can very easily settle differences of opinions is the exact same all people can,

Say what it is. I'm listening.

[henry quirk]

"on what basis do you wish to resolve our differences of opinion(?)"

THUNDERDOME!

Two men enter, one man leaves.

[Immanuel Can]

"on what basis do you wish to resolve our differences of opinion(?)"

THUNDERDOME!

Two men enter, one man leaves.

Okay. But I'm bringing my bat'leth.

[henry quirk]

Okay, Mannie's got the Klingon Death Sword...what you got, Ken?

[Wyman]

Who has faith in nothing?

Most suicides I think. Nihilists.

Most suicides aren't nihilists. They are people with many issues closer to home and immediate than philosophical. What a generalized, silly thing to say. I have faith in very little, yet I care for myself while I'm still here.

I didn't say most suicides are nihilists. I was giving examples to answer the question I was asked.

[Wyman]

Most suicides I think. Nihilists.

I doubt there's any evidence to show that nihilists commit suicide any more than religionists.

I don't think they keep records of that sort of thing. It would be difficult to take a poll.

[Wyman]

Faith in nothing breeds violence to oneself. .

How do you work that out?

Or is it the workings of a feeble American brain that can't understand how to live without making up some shit about the world to feel whole?

I was not taking a dig at atheists. What if you lost faith in the rest of humankind as well as yourself? Not to mention any higher power or purpose? I think people living in such deep despair are more prone to fall into self loathing and even suicide. But I suppose Arising is correct in that I do not actually have evidence.

[Dalek Prime]

Faith in nothing breeds violence to oneself. .

How do you work that out?

Or is it the workings of a feeble American brain that can't understand how to live without making up some shit about the world to feel whole?

I was not taking a dig at atheists. What if you lost faith in the rest of humankind as well as yourself? Not to mention any higher power or purpose? I think people living in such deep despair are more prone to fall into self loathing and even suicide. But I suppose Arising is correct in that I do not actually have evidence.

I'm one who has lost faith in everything but those few who repeatedly have proven true friends. Yes, I've twice in my life attempted suicide, once very young (preteen), and once in my thirties due I'll health. Now in my fifties, I'm determined to see my life to it's natural conclusion, my consolation being the personal joy I take in concentrating on my own life without worldly distractions, and the knowledge I didn't create the potential for another to go through it. I exist for myself now, knowing I'm the last of my line, and its freeing. The world can do what it likes.

[sthitapragya]

Most suicides I think. Nihilists.

I doubt there's any evidence to show that nihilists commit suicide any more than religionists.

I don't think they keep records of that sort of thing. It would be difficult to take a poll.

I just looked up the meaning of Nihilism and found that for the most part I am a Nihilist. I do not believe life has any objective meaning or purpose. I also believe that morals are derived from interaction with society and there are no objective values. I also find that the synonym for nihilism is pessimism which I find puzzling. I am not a pessimist. I do believe that most people have common sense and that makes them capable of understanding what works in society and to behave that way. I also don't understand what the correlation is between life having no meaning or purpose and pessimism. What is the big deal if life has no meaning/ purpose? The fact is we are alive and have two choices. Either whine about it or enjoy it the best that we can. The reality will never change. I choose the latter. Also the fact that people who believe life has a meaning and purpose never seem to find it but still seem to be happy in their own way. Some believe life has a meaning and purpose and never find it. I believe life has no meaning and purpose and don't look for it. What is the difference?

[thedoc]

Okay, Mannie's got the Klingon Death Sword...what you got, Ken?

How about a 12 gauge double barrel. Good enough?

[thedoc]

Most suicides I think. Nihilists.

I doubt there's any evidence to show that nihilists commit suicide any more than religionists.

I don't think they keep records of that sort of thing. It would be difficult to take a poll.

Why don't you conduct a Seance to find out. And let us know.