What is an Artist?

[Lacewing]

There is now very good evidence that he in fact did cut off his entire ear and gave it to a young woman, the object of his affections.

Just like a man to give a totally inappropriate gift!

I believe he gave it to a prostitute who didn't return his affection. So what would be an appropriate gift to a prostitute. (Be careful how you answer, or even if you answer).

Well not his ear! Who wants a frickin' ear?

[thedoc]

Just like a man to give a totally inappropriate gift!

I believe he gave it to a prostitute who didn't return his affection. So what would be an appropriate gift to a prostitute. (Be careful how you answer, or even if you answer).

Well not his ear! Who wants a frickin' ear?

Are you saying that you would know what an appropriate gift to a prostitute would be?

[SpheresOfBalance]

An artist is someone who sits outside or on the edge of the system.
An artist is someone who works inside the system using its tools to climb up the ladder.
An artist is someone who says I'm an Artist and means it.

I see that an artist would rather focus on the beauty, as the universe provides, instead of attempting to corrupt it, with decisions and revisions that a second can reverse. As many a great sculptors have said in the past, 'the sculpture was already contained within the medium, I just removed that which concealed it.'

[Greta]

I see that an artist would rather focus on the beauty ...

That's very narrow. You have just excluded a huge proportion of art that exposes and reflects the non-beautiful, which is certainly as much part of reality as beauty. Just ask a gazelle struggling under a hungry lion.

[Lacewing]

Are you saying that you would know what an appropriate gift to a prostitute would be?

Are you saying that being a prostitute makes any difference at all?

[SpheresOfBalance]

I see that an artist would rather focus on the beauty ...

That's very narrow.
To your mind.

You have just excluded a huge proportion of art that exposes and reflects the non-beautiful,
Nope, as all the universe is beautiful!

which is certainly as much part of reality as beauty.
Beauty is all there is, in the 'natural' universe.

Just ask a gazelle struggling under a hungry lion.
That's just as beautiful, as planet earth is a 'symbiotic' biosphere.

Your complaint is actually with your understanding of what is naturally beautiful and what isn't. But don't be alarmed, many humans, especially females, have problems accepting that as one dies, another lives; without one dying, another dies. The ecosystems of our planet include natural checks and balances, without which the crucial balance in nature would cause serious problems with all life. Look at humankind at seven billion strong, with respect to global warming and virus epidemics, to see what imbalance creates. And it shall only get worse, because humankind is selfishly stupid!

[Lacewing]

Beauty is all there is, in the 'natural' universe.

If beauty were all there was, we wouldn't know it as beauty. The universe contains ALL of it, to be perceived in countless ways, and for us to work with and create art from. Why are you denying any of it?

Look at humankind at seven billion strong, with respect to global warming and virus epidemics, to see what imbalance creates. And it shall only get worse, because humankind is selfishly stupid!

So that isn't BEAUTIFUL to you? Are you judging what is "natural" beauty and what is not... or what is balanced and what is not? How do you draw the lines, and how are your lines representative of the ultimate truth?

[thedoc]

Are you saying that you would know what an appropriate gift to a prostitute would be?

Are you saying that being a prostitute makes any difference at all?

Nice dodge, answer a question with a question. Does being a prostitute make a difference to you?

FYI, I don't care.

[thedoc]

Beauty and Ugly are human constructs, outside of human perception, there is no beautiful or ugly, it's all just natural.

Art is outside of human perception.

[Lacewing]

Are you saying that you would know what an appropriate gift to a prostitute would be?

Are you saying that being a prostitute makes any difference at all?

Nice dodge, answer a question with a question. Does being a prostitute make a difference to you?

FYI, I don't care.

I wasn't dodging... I was making a point. You asked a question which had nothing to do with my response. I said that an EAR is a stupid gift. You tried to suggest that I was saying that I knew what an appropriate gift would be for a prostitute! I don't even know why you went down that path of thought, but I don't think a gift matters based on whether a person is a prostitute, and I don't think an ear is a good gift for anyone.

[Lacewing]

Art is outside of human perception.

How is that? When I create art, it's definitely based on my human perception.

[thedoc]

I wasn't dodging... I was making a point. You asked a question which had nothing to do with my response. I said that an EAR is a stupid gift. You tried to suggest that I was saying that I knew what an appropriate gift would be for a prostitute! I don't even know why you went down that path of thought, but I don't think a gift matters based on whether a person is a prostitute, and I don't think an ear is a good gift for anyone.

So if not a body part, what is an appropriate gift in your estimation, is it dependent on the monetary value? How about baubles such as jewelry that you can resell at a specific value, does that make it a better gift? How much is a good gift worth?

[thedoc]

Art is outside of human perception.

How is that? When I create art, it's definitely based on my human perception.

Are you sure that it is only your own human efforts that make the art, or is there something else that is working through you, that creates the art?

[Lacewing]

So if not a body part, what is an appropriate gift in your estimation, is it dependent on the monetary value? How about baubles such as jewelry that you can resell at a specific value, does that make it a better gift? How much is a good gift worth?

I'd say the usual qualities of a good gift are something that makes me feel good and is not gross. Not too hard, is it?

Has nothing to do with money. But bloody body parts are definitely not on my list -- call me "picky" if you want.

[SpheresOfBalance]

Beauty is all there is, in the 'natural' universe.

If beauty were all there was, we wouldn't know it as beauty. The universe contains ALL of it, to be perceived in countless ways, and for us to work with and create art from. Why are you denying any of it?
Your inability to understand, apparent in your misquoting.

Look at humankind at seven billion strong, with respect to global warming and virus epidemics, to see what imbalance creates. And it shall only get worse, because humankind is selfishly stupid!

So that isn't BEAUTIFUL to you?
A lion kills an antelope so it can live. Men kill all animals for trophies. Which seems to have gone over your head.

Are you judging what is "natural" beauty and what is not...
What is and is not, is easy for all to see, except the blind.

or what is balanced and what is not?
See immediately above.

How do you draw the lines, and how are your lines representative of the ultimate truth?
I do not draw the lines, the universe does! That you are blind, very apparent. Look harder, open your closed mind, you that believes you are better than others, such that you would exile them, then when shown you are the one that has the problem, you hold a grudge, much to your further failing.