Materialism is logically imposible

[bahman]

Now I am confused. In this case aren't you promoting the case of materialism? According to you, materialism states that everything is governed by the laws of nature and not what you expect. you are agreeing with it.

There is nothing to be confuse about: Matter moves based on laws of nature and that has nothing to do with what we expect or experience. Hence materialism is false because it cannot explain why our expectation exactly matches to what happens.

[sthitapragya]

Now I am confused. In this case aren't you promoting the case of materialism? According to you, materialism states that everything is governed by the laws of nature and not what you expect. you are agreeing with it.

There is nothing to be confuse about: Matter moves based on laws of nature and that has nothing to do with what we expect or experience. Hence materialism is false because it cannot explain why our expectation exactly matches to what happens.

But you just agreed that our expectations do not match what happens.

You said: "The problem that you are not noticing is that what we expect to happen has not really to do anything with what happen. You can expect to fly, score a goal, etc. while your body moves based on laws of nature doing something which has nothing to do with what you expect."

Now you are saying that our expectations match exactly what happens. So which is it?

[bahman]

But you just agreed that our expectations do not match what happens.

No, our expectation exactly matches to what happen. Materialism cannot simply explain why that should be case. Our expectation/experience could be anything unrelated to what happen under materialism.

You said: "The problem that you are not noticing is that what we expect to happen has not really to do anything with what happen. You can expect to fly, score a goal, etc. while your body moves based on laws of nature doing something which has nothing to do with what you expect."

Now you are saying that our expectations match exactly what happens. So which is it?

Of course our expectation matches exactly to what happens. This is faulty of materialism which cannot explain such a great coincidence.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Now I am confused. In this case aren't you promoting the case of materialism? According to you, materialism states that everything is governed by the laws of nature and not what you expect. you are agreeing with it.

There is nothing to be confuse about: Matter moves based on laws of nature and that has nothing to do with what we expect or experience. Hence materialism is false because it cannot explain why our expectation exactly matches to what happens.

Says who?

As there is nothing that can explain that you can hardly expect to eliminate all theories of metaphysics on the grounds that they are not perfect.

[Philosophy Explorer]

Based on modern science, there's no experimental evidence to support materialism. There is experimental evidence (Plato) to support idealism while none supports materialism (Democritus). A video goes to great length to explain this:

http://3tags.org/article/consciousness- ... hypothesis

PhilX

[bahman]

Now I am confused. In this case aren't you promoting the case of materialism? According to you, materialism states that everything is governed by the laws of nature and not what you expect. you are agreeing with it.

There is nothing to be confuse about: Matter moves based on laws of nature and that has nothing to do with what we expect or experience. Hence materialism is false because it cannot explain why our expectation exactly matches to what happens.

Says who?

As there is nothing that can explain that you can hardly expect to eliminate all theories of metaphysics on the grounds that they are not perfect.

Materialism is just logically impossible. That is what the argument about. Our conscious experience/expectation can be anything, an endless set. It is logically impossible that our experiences/expectations exactly matches with what happen.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Based on modern science, there's no experimental evidence to support materialism. There is experimental evidence (Plato) to support idealism while none supports materialism (Democritus). A video goes to great length to explain this:

http://3tags.org/article/consciousness- ... hypothesis

PhilX

DO you understand what you have posted?

[Hobbes' Choice]

There is nothing to be confuse about: Matter moves based on laws of nature and that has nothing to do with what we expect or experience. Hence materialism is false because it cannot explain why our expectation exactly matches to what happens.

Says who?

As there is nothing that can explain that you can hardly expect to eliminate all theories of metaphysics on the grounds that they are not perfect.

Materialism is just logically impossible. That is what the argument about. Our conscious experience/expectation can be anything, an endless set. It is logically impossible that our experiences/expectations exactly matches with what happen.

Prove it!
You are making a false conclusion from false premises. You are not presenting a logical argument.

[Philosophy Explorer]

Based on modern science, there's no experimental evidence to support materialism. There is experimental evidence (Plato) to support idealism while none supports materialism (Democritus). A video goes to great length to explain this:

http://3tags.org/article/consciousness- ... hypothesis

PhilX

DO you understand what you have posted?

Yes I do. Are you acquainted with the video?

PhilX

[Hobbes' Choice]

Based on modern science, there's no experimental evidence to support materialism. There is experimental evidence (Plato) to support idealism while none supports materialism (Democritus). A video goes to great length to explain this:

http://3tags.org/article/consciousness- ... hypothesis

PhilX

DO you understand what you have posted?

Yes I do. Are you acquainted with the video?

PhilX

Yes it's 80% bullshit, clothed in pseudo-scientific claptrap.

[Philosophy Explorer]

DO you understand what you have posted?

Yes I do. Are you acquainted with the video?

PhilX

Yes it's 80% bullshit, clothed in pseudo-scientific claptrap.

Since the video is over 50 minutes long, then I know that Hog's Choice hasn't reviewed it. This also means that Hog's Choice is just shooting his mouth off and lying. Since Hog's Choice isn't a scientist, then we can safely disregard his unphilosophic comments.

PhilX

[Hobbes' Choice]

Yes I do. Are you acquainted with the video?

PhilX

Yes it's 80% bullshit, clothed in pseudo-scientific claptrap.

Since the video is over 50 minutes long, then I know that Hog's Choice hasn't reviewed it. This also means that Hog's Choice is just shooting his mouth off and lying. Since Hog's Choice isn't a scientist, then we can safely disregard his unphilosophic comments.

PhilX

Ans since we've all had examples of your intelligence it's obvious that you could not tell a spoof form a scientific article.

[Philosophy Explorer]

Yes it's 80% bullshit, clothed in pseudo-scientific claptrap.

Since the video is over 50 minutes long, then I know that Hog's Choice hasn't reviewed it. This also means that Hog's Choice is just shooting his mouth off and lying. Since Hog's Choice isn't a scientist, then we can safely disregard his unphilosophic comments.

PhilX

Ans since we've all had examples of your intelligence it's obvious that you could not tell a spoof form a scientific article.

And since we've all had examples of your nonintelligence, it's obvious you can't tell your arse from your elbow Hog's Choice.

PhilX

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I decided to test this out. And you know what? No, you don't, because your expectations don't determine my outcomes. That's just basic pseudusubjectivephysicalim.

I reached for my coffee cup, fully expecting to lift it off the table, bring it to my slavering lips and duly scald them into submission.
Instead, I was yanked into a spaceship hurtling away from Earth and hitting a light-bump every ten seconds or so, whereupon I expected to feel crushed by G-forces, but that didn't happen. My hosts offered me a streaming cup of graugh, which is toxic to humans, so i refused, and expected to be punished for my rudeness; instead, I was treated to several hours, that flew by like seconds, of listening to unexpectedly moving and lyrical Vogon poetry. I expected to be carried off to some distant planet and held prisoner; instead, I, along with a perplexed bathtub and some flabbergasted double gloxinias, floated safely down and landed in front of my house, where I expected a gaping crowd and reporters to have gathered upon sighting a honking great spaceship over the roof, yet the place was deserted. I then expected to walk into my living room, only, the front door was locked, so I had to fight my way through the prickly undergrowth by the garage and climb in through a window I expected to be too narrow for my ample midsection, but I must have dropped a couple of pounds during the abduction, for I squeezed through with relative ease and then jimmied open the back door. Entering the living room, which, contrary to expectation, showed no sign of having been disturbed in any way, I half expected my coffee to be still hot, half expected it to have gone stone cold. No, it was tepid. I hate tepid coffee. So I poured myself four fingers of Teachers, which tastes exactly as I expected. I sit here now, gazing out at the purple bathtub full of blooming gloxinias, thinking I'll have to shift it off the driveway and imagining how much better Jamieson would taste, and from a glass.

[sthitapragya]

But you just agreed that our expectations do not match what happens.

No, our expectation exactly matches to what happen. Materialism cannot simply explain why that should be case. Our expectation/experience could be anything unrelated to what happen under materialism.

You said: "The problem that you are not noticing is that what we expect to happen has not really to do anything with what happen. You can expect to fly, score a goal, etc. while your body moves based on laws of nature doing something which has nothing to do with what you expect."

Now you are saying that our expectations match exactly what happens. So which is it?

Of course our expectation matches exactly to what happens. This is faulty of materialism which cannot explain such a great coincidence.

Are you seriously suggesting that all your life things have happened exactly as you expected them to happen? You have never ever been disappointed?