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surreptitious57 wrote:
Last year I overcame any fear of death which made me realise that we are just passing through and
that every thing we do is ultimately of zero significance. That should of course not deter us from
leading productive lives but it only matters in the here and now and not for all of eternity
Again totally agree. Though not on the eternity bit. I think we go back to bugger all nothing
I do fear lingering in pain and humiliation near the end though. I d gladly skip that chapter
I have no fear of death but when my time comes I want it to be as painless as possible. And then as far
as is known an eternity free from all suffering will follow. This is why I am not afraid of death anymore
surreptitious57 wrote:
Last year I overcame any fear of death which made me realise that we are just passing through and
that every thing we do is ultimately of zero significance. That should of course not deter us from
leading productive lives but it only matters in the here and now and not for all of eternity
Again totally agree. Though not on the eternity bit. I think we go back to bugger all nothing
I do fear lingering in pain and humiliation near the end though. I d gladly skip that chapter
I have no fear of death but when my time comes I want it to be as painless as possible. And then as far
as is known an eternity free from all suffering will follow. This is why I am not afraid of death anymore
Well, that follows my antinatalism. It didn't need to be in the first place; from nothing to absurdity, to nothing again. I could have skipped the whole middle, and not have known the difference. But, that wasn't my decision, and didn't occur, so here I am, making the best of it.
surreptitious57 wrote:
I am also fifty two and a loner and not on facebook either. I am more interested in ideas than in individuals which
is why I lurk and post on various rational and philosophy sites. Since knowledge acquisition is my major goal in life
I certainly appreciate your position. Quite alike in that sense though I am less inclined to share my opinion. No one cares anyway. It
becomes intellectual wallpaper in the end just a big blend of idea graffiti on a random wall that no one can really remember clearly
Last year I overcame any fear of death which made me realise that we are just passing through and that every thing we do is ultimately of zero significance. That should of course not deter us from leading productive lives but it only matters in the here and now and not for all of eternity
I had a similar revelation a few years ago when I was diagnosed with CHF, and the 2 years ago in March I died, but my defibrillator shocked my heart into beating properly again, so I started living again. I wish I could say that it was a life changing event but it only reinforced my attitude to be aware of life as I was living it, and enjoying every thing that I could. It's really sad to see so many people who can't seem to see what is right in front of them.
surreptitious57 wrote:
Last year I overcame any fear of death which made me realise that we are just passing through and that every
thing we do is ultimately of zero significance. That should of course not deter us from leading productive lives
but it only matters in the here and now and not for all of eternity
That is the view I see too and it is very freeing. Life has been much richer and sweeter since I
stopped demanding significance from it. I accept my temporary place alongside the rest of nature
I can think of nothing worse than living for ever. A long life yes or were it possible another life also. But not a never ending
one. Absolutely no way. As that for me would be my definition of hell. I much prefer to be dead not alive for all of eternity
surreptitious57 wrote:
Last year I overcame any fear of death which made me realise that we are just passing through and that every
thing we do is ultimately of zero significance. That should of course not deter us from leading productive lives
but it only matters in the here and now and not for all of eternity
That is the view I see too and it is very freeing. Life has been much richer and sweeter since I
stopped demanding significance from it. I accept my temporary place alongside the rest of nature
I can think of nothing worse than living for ever. A long life yes or were it possible another life also. But not a never ending
one. Absolutely no way. As that for me would be my definition of hell. I much prefer to be dead not alive for all of eternity
Lol! How did we not agree earlier? Are you my lost twin?
surreptitious57 wrote:
Last year I overcame any fear of death which made me realise that we are just passing through and that every
thing we do is ultimately of zero significance. That should of course not deter us from leading productive lives
but it only matters in the here and now and not for all of eternity
That is the view I see too and it is very freeing. Life has been much richer and sweeter since I
stopped demanding significance from it. I accept my temporary place alongside the rest of nature
I can think of nothing worse than living for ever. A long life yes or were it possible another life also. But not a never ending
one. Absolutely no way. As that for me would be my definition of hell. I much prefer to be dead not alive for all of eternity
We should be allowed to end our life peacefully, whenever we want to. It's a human right.
Dalek Prime wrote:
I certainly appreciate your position. Quite alike in that sense though I am less inclined to share my opinion. No one cares anyway. It
becomes intellectual wallpaper in the end just a big blend of idea graffiti on a random wall that no one can really remember clearly
Last year I overcame any fear of death which made me realise that we are just passing through and that every thing we do is ultimately of zero significance. That should of course not deter us from leading productive lives but it only matters in the here and now and not for all of eternity
I had a similar revelation a few years ago when I was diagnosed with CHF, and the 2 years ago in March I died, but my defibrillator shocked my heart into beating properly again, so I started living again. I wish I could say that it was a life changing event but it only reinforced my attitude to be aware of life as I was living it, and enjoying every thing that I could. It's really sad to see so many people who can't seem to see what is right in front of them.
Unfortunately doc, we all have to achieve this wisdom by our own means. We can inform people, but it's up to them to see it for themselves, as you did.
Lacewing wrote:
That is the view I see too and it is very freeing. Life has been much richer and sweeter since I
stopped demanding significance from it. I accept my temporary place alongside the rest of nature
I can think of nothing worse than living for ever. A long life yes or were it possible another life also. But not a never ending
one. Absolutely no way. As that for me would be my definition of hell. I much prefer to be dead not alive for all of eternity
We should be allowed to end our life peacefully, whenever we want to. It's a human right.
I agree. We should also be, at the very least, aware of what we do in the creation of other conciousnesses. It's a serious business that mustn't be taken lightly. That's really all that antinatalism asks; to take creation seriously for what it is, and ponder the consequences before we take that biggest of steps.
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surreptitious57 wrote:I would like to have another life so I could avoid the mistakes that I made
in this one then after that I would want to die and then stay dead forever
This I don't get. You won't recall the first if gone, so your mistakes don't matter anyways. And you wouldn't have missed the first time around, if it hadn't occurred. Certainly not the second.
Yes but just assuming for the sake of argument that it was actually possible. I could have the memory of my first life implanted in my brain
at birth so that I automatically knew what to do. Or conversely just the one life but with the ability to go back in time and right any wrongs
surreptitious57 wrote:Yes but just assuming for the sake of argument that it was actually possible. I could have the memory of my first life implanted in my brain
at birth so that I automatically knew what to do. Or conversely just the one life but with the ability to go back in time and right any wrongs
Or just not begin a conciousness that can't do any of the things you would otherwise wish to do. That's why considering the consequences of creation is so important. Because there is no do over, or fixing mistakes for anyone. Life is tough, and is no fantasy.
You know, it doesn't matter to my consciousness how the world continues after I'm gone, so forget I said anything. I'm gonna keep quiet now, and just swim upstream with the rest of you, silently, until I stop swimming.
(OMG, too funny!)