Truth is not found in mental chatter.

[Dontaskme]

I'm just reporting my surround.

Do you think that reflects an ultimate truth for more than just yourself at this moment?

I have no experience of any one but myself. I can only report was is experiential to this one. That's just this one's existential belief. So I'm only ever talking to myself.

[Lacewing]

I'm just reporting my surround.

Do you think that reflects an ultimate truth for more than just yourself at this moment?

I have no experience of any one but myself. I can only report was is experiential to this one. That's just this one's existential belief. So I'm only ever talking to myself.

Okay then... carry on!

[Dontaskme]

Okay then... carry on!

Well thanks for allowing me to talk and think for myself.

[Lacewing]

Okay then... carry on!

Well thanks for allowing me to talk and think for myself.

Of course! Sometimes we sound like we're talking for others and/or that we know conclusively and completely for all else. It's just good to clarify.

[Greta]

And why would I heed the advice of someone who talks about what's probably and possibly going to happen to earth... ''In a billion years life on Earth will be impossible''

And just how do you know what's going to happen in a billions years?

Are you aware that the Sun is a main sequence star, and what happens to main sequence stars as they age?

No, I've never been up close and personal with a sun.

Learn some science, DAM. Seriously. It's incredibly interesting.

[Lacewing]

Learn some science, DAM. Seriously. It's incredibly interesting.

I'm guessing that a lot of people who claim to have all the answers (and/or be associated with deities), DON'T WANT to learn or consider ANYTHING ELSE that they CAN'T CLAIM TO KNOW as thoroughly as what's in their IMAGINATION where they RULE SUPREME.

[Greta]

Learn some science, DAM. Seriously. It's incredibly interesting.

I'm guessing that a lot of people who claim to have all the answers (and/or be associated with deities), DON'T WANT to learn or consider ANYTHING ELSE that they CAN'T CLAIM TO KNOW as thoroughly as what's in their IMAGINATION where they RULE SUPREME.

I guess for them it's a confidence game. It doesn't seem to much matter what they believe, just as long as they feel they have their paradigms under control. Personally, I enjoy the frission of my unresolved paradigms (although that may be a post hoc rationalisation, making light of my ignorance).

The trouble is that, without knowledge, we keep on re-inventing the wheel - our "great new ideas" often having been thought of thousands of times before by others. That's why I declined to go into detail with DAM, who no doubt is well-meaning, but I'd have to wade through high school level science with him, and then no doubt have it thrown back in my face

I screwed up by engaging and am now currently slowly backing out of the room .......

[Dontaskme]

I screwed up by engaging and am now currently slowly backing out of the room .......

Feel free to engage in what ever interests you.

But this one here, I'm not interested engaging in what I already am. Much prefer to kick back and enjoy the movie, more relaxing and fun.

We are talking about two completely different subjects here, don't get mad when I'm not riding the same wave as you. Engage all you like about the subject topic, but don't blast me with science ... If I'd wanted to talk about science I would be on a science forum talking to scientists.

[Dontaskme]

Learn some science, DAM. Seriously. It's incredibly interesting.

I don't include science in my science.

[Dontaskme]

Ask your self, who am I ?

This is hilarious considering I have been asking dontaskme to clarify, with simple straightforward responses, the EXACT same questions. But to no avail at all.

I have already asked this question and answered it.

There is 'i', named ken, which is just the set of thoughts and feelings living within one human body, i.e., the one who thinks, it knows. Then,

There is 'I', named God, which is the ALL-seeing and All-knowing living within every body, i.e., the One who does know.

I wrote back with My findings.

In the most simplest straightforward response to the question, who am I, the answer that came is God.

Now let us begin.

I absolutely love your findings ken, and I agree with them 100%. ...just got confused as to why we were apparently arguing over the last few months, and so thought it best to just stay out of it.

We actually have very similar ways of thinking about this nondual subject....but you are able to articulate it better than me.

So thanks for sticking with me ken. I've learnt something about myself thanks to your patience and iron rod tough love approach) ...I've always loved you, you know...not you ken.. but your tenacious spirit of wanting to prove your point...I like that ...it speaks volumes to me, shows such great caliber and strength of character...so strong, just what we need in the world today...so many thanks...and feel free to continue.

Or have we got nothing else to talk about now?

[Dontaskme]

[Dontaskme]

Are you aware that the Sun is a main sequence star, and what happens to main sequence stars as they age?

No, I've never been up close and personal with a sun.

Learn some science, DAM. Seriously. It's incredibly interesting.

Since my head is an empty mirror ball these days- I have collected this piece of information for your perusal... from the non-copyrighted wellspring of knowledge aka the bio-logical inner net ...



''A human-being is a dynamic and marvelous manifestation of this creative Divine force. Keeping this awareness in our daily living experience creates a very high quality of mind. Over the millennium there has been a decline in this human awareness. This has led to the design of unsustainable societal systems. Problems of inadequate economic systems, unaffordable healthcare, uncontrollable pollution, growing joblessness, increasing social unrest, growing terrorism, and corruption have destabilized life on our beautiful planet.

The need to move society in a new direction has surfaced as a challenge for the current generation. Invoking the energy of Non-Duality empowers people to solve all societal problems effectively.''

''The planet faces today an unprecedented set of problems because of a serious crisis in human consciousness. If we don’t act with responsibility now humanity will soon be approaching threshold of unimaginable chaos, calamity, death and destruction. But there exists a timeless and lasting solution to address issues facing humankind. It derives from the notion of the power of ideas and the attributes of Non-Duality are so powerful that their effect upon the World will be most profound. The secret of solving the global and local problems lies in the awareness of Non-Duality.''

http://www.elephantjournal.com/2012/03/ ... kohli-phd/

I'M DOING MY BIT..ARE YOU DOING YOURS

Things are not what they seem!

[ken]

Saw this in an email today.

“There is something in every one of you that waits and listens for the sound of the genuine in yourself. It is the only true guide you will ever have. And if you cannot hear it, you will all of your life spend your days on the ends of strings that somebody else pulls.”


― Howard Thurman

[Dontaskme]

Saw this in an email today.

“There is something in every one of you that waits and listens for the sound of the genuine in yourself. It is the only true guide you will ever have. And if you cannot hear it, you will all of your life spend your days on the ends of strings that somebody else pulls.”


― Howard Thurman

Brilliant, I Love it.

You have gained my trust ken. If you would like to PM me, go ahead..I am ready to be PM'd...I have something very very funny to share with you.

[Dontaskme]

Saw this in an email today.

“There is something in every one of you that waits and listens for the sound of the genuine in yourself. It is the only true guide you will ever have. And if you cannot hear it, you will all of your life spend your days on the ends of strings that somebody else pulls.”


― Howard Thurman

Bye the way, by coincidence, what do you think of this ... by Robert Thurman..not sure if they are related.

On the nature of Self.

''Eventually, the investigation leads you to realize that you are going to fail to find that hard-core identity of the self. You realize that it does not exist at your center in the way that it seems to. You have moments of feeling that you perhaps don’t exist at all, but you realize that that sense of nonexistence is also not itself a hard-core identity. As you go along, you must rely on the help of the wisdom literature to deal with this failure to be able to pin down any intrinsically identifiable mode of either existence or nonexistence. You must also take your time, and persevere without expecting spectacular breakthroughs, and feeling discouraged if none occur. Gradually, your sense of absoluteness begins to erode, while your sense of just being there relatively becomes more and more liberated.

You realize that identity is a construct, a relative fabrication, and you begin to understand objective selflessness. You look out at others and at the objects of the world, realizing that they too are more relativistic entities, with no hard-core identities either. Finally, you realize that this interdependent network of nonabsolute, relative beings and things is fluid and malleable, open for creative development. If it’s all a mutual construct, let’s make it more beautiful. Everything is open for transformation.''

It seems we are literally writing our reality as we go along. It maybe a farce, so lets make it a good farce ..
Humans have spent thousands of years immersed in our farces, completely oblivious to the fact that we're making it all up. Finally some of us are waking up and recognising that it's a mutual construct, or a collective fiction. Will enough people wake up in time so we can start writing a better plotline before we or nature wipes us out?