Religion is not About God

[HexHammer]

attofishpi

Dog, do you believe that Jesus is God?

I know that Jesus is the Christ. I would not be surprised if Christ is the manifestation of the God entity in human form.

I know that if i call God all the pigfuckers under the Sun i get little hell. I know that if i do the same with regards to Christ, i am told i have crossed the line and a rather large hell persists. So to that end - they seem rather separate entities.

Ok, sorry to say you don't know what you are talking about.

You need to study your background story.

[attofishpi]

attofishpi

Dog, do you believe that Jesus is God?

I know that Jesus is the Christ. I would not be surprised if Christ is the manifestation of the God entity in human form.

I know that if i call God all the pigfuckers under the Sun i get little hell. I know that if i do the same with regards to Christ, i am told i have crossed the line and a rather large hell persists. So to that end - they seem rather separate entities.

Ok, sorry to say you don't know what you are talking about.

You need to study your background story.

Im not sorry about anything. There is no better 'background story' to hearing it direct from the source - something everyone on this site is lacking, you included.

You state i dont know what i am talking about - so how about you set me straight and explain what you actually KNOW because there is a vast difference to believing and knowing.

[Greta]

There is no better 'background story' to hearing it direct from the source - something everyone on this site is lacking, you included.

In other words, you had a peak experience and interpreted according to the usual religious beliefs of your culture. You don't have to be a Jesus freak to have these experiences which, to be fair, defy description.

Many have enjoyed this "taste of the divine" but interpreted the experiences differently. After all, religions are just conduits through which one may operate if they choose. The reality strikes me as far larger and more interesting that the small, anthropocentric ideas of Iron Age religions whose creators could not even imagine the scope and range of the universe or the richness of biology, or just how small humans are within the much larger systems of which we are a part.

[attofishpi]

There is no better 'background story' to hearing it direct from the source - something everyone on this site is lacking, you included.

In other words, you had a peak experience and interpreted according to the usual religious beliefs of your culture. You don't have to be a Jesus freak to have these experiences which, to be fair, defy description.

What do you mean by a "peak experience". I have had 19yrs of direct interaction with God.

Many have enjoyed this "taste of the divine" but interpreted the experiences differently. After all, religions are just conduits through which one may operate if they choose. The reality strikes me as far larger and more interesting that the small, anthropocentric ideas of Iron Age religions whose creators could not even imagine the scope and range of the universe or the richness of biology, or just how small humans are within the much larger systems of which we are a part.

Sure. However you are failing to understand, no fault of yours, you probably havent been following my posts over the past five years so ill sum up a little in relation to your statement.
A sage contacted me from the aether after an incident many years ago and confirmed that we are 'reborn' into the family as judged 'fitting' as to how we have lived our previous life. Eg - in my past life i was likely a Christian that continued to believe in God/Christ and was probably a fairly decent chap - enough so, that i was reborn into a 'believing' family to continue within that structure.
Now that i KNOW God exists and was informed directly that Jesus is the Christ - i expect (so long as i dont do something idiotic) that in my next life i will attain at the minimum that level of knowledge (this is merely a belief on my part)

[Dontaskme]

I have had 19yrs of direct interaction with God.

What happened during your direct interaction with God?

[attofishpi]

I have had 19yrs of direct interaction with God.

What happened during your direct interaction with God?

19yrs is not going to summed up here. Lets just say it tested me to the limits of what one can endure. I have tasted heaven and mostly hell. Now things are on the 'up' and it stated last week to 'get heaven'.

[Dontaskme]

I have had 19yrs of direct interaction with God.

What happened during your direct interaction with God?

19yrs is not going to summed up here. Lets just say it tested me to the limits of what one can endure. I have tasted heaven and mostly hell. Now things are on the 'up' and it stated last week to 'get heaven'.

Yes, I know what you mean. I really do.

[Lacewing]

There is no better 'background story' to hearing it direct from the source - something everyone on this site is lacking, you included.

How arrogant and idiotic. Your belief that you ALONE know some ultimate source BLINDS YOU to all else. And it's extraordinarily disrespectful and hateful for you to not see the sacred in all.

[Nick_A]

Dalek prime wrote:

Hey Nick, with all your talk of Plato's Cave, do you suppose it's a Freudian hangup?

Hey, just trying to help. Don't get huffy.

Nothing to get huffy about or for Freud to be involved in. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

The most important part of a building is a firm foundation. Without this foundation to build upon the building crumbles. It is the same with the kind of hypothesis Reflex wants to construct. Without a solid psychological foundation any emotional recognition of objective human purpose or social theory will collapse. I believe that admitting the human condition is the first step for a psychological foundation.

I see there is a thread for the magazine on Xenophobia. There will be some nice interfaith multi-cultural articles without foundations. Xenophobia will just become Xenaphobia where people will be worried that Xena will jump through the TV screen and kick their butt. That's the way it goes.

[Reflex]

People talk about God and the universe like its the biggest and best thing ever. Well, guess what encompasses it? What it's expanding into? The void. Perfect void surrounds God and the universe. God and the cosmos are irregularities in it; small pointless subsets of a perfect void. Now, one can avoid thinking about it because none of us will ever experience the void. But that doesn't change that it's there, encompassing that which one thinks is important.

….Consider my post an undirected, unaddressed statement of my philosophy, with apologies to you.

While I appreciate your candor with respect to your philosophy, my mind is too restless and my imagination too fertile to settle on a narrative that simply says there is a void that encompasses the universe and any God that can be imagined. It is not difficult for me to elaborate quite a bit using the same format. For example, the “void” is pure act, which is equivalent to divine simplicity. The “small pointless subsets” are (to use Nick's analogy) the shadows dancing on the walls of Plato's cave. Never could we experience the void because that would be a contradiction, but in all that pertains to self-realization and mind attainment, we can be just as replete in our sphere of perfection as as the Void is in its sphere of infinity and eternity.

In this scenario, the operative ideal would be balance in all things.

I should remind my critics that no self-respecting critic will opine against something about which he or she knows nothing or without positing a viable alternative.

All you are saying is that there is a god and it's rather lovely. Your critics are asking what do you "know" about this god, and how do you know it?

Then I suggest they take a course in reading comprehension and find the courage within themselves to posit a narrative that informs them about who they are, where they come from and how they should live. Anyone can be a critic; not everyone has the wherewithal to posit such a narrative.

[Dalek Prime]

People talk about God and the universe like its the biggest and best thing ever. Well, guess what encompasses it? What it's expanding into? The void. Perfect void surrounds God and the universe. God and the cosmos are irregularities in it; small pointless subsets of a perfect void. Now, one can avoid thinking about it because none of us will ever experience the void. But that doesn't change that it's there, encompassing that which one thinks is important.

….Consider my post an undirected, unaddressed statement of my philosophy, with apologies to you.

While I appreciate your candor with respect to your philosophy, my mind is too restless and my imagination too fertile to settle on a narrative that simply says there a void that encompasses the universe and any God that can be imagined. It is not difficult for me to elaborate quite a bit using the same format. For example, the “void” is pure act, which is equivalent to divine simplicity. The void is perfect. Perfection requires no dynamism. The “small pointless subsets” are (to use Nick's analogy) the shadows dancing on the walls of Plato's cave. Never could we experience the void because that would be a contradiction, but in all that pertains to self-realization and mind attainment, we can be just as replete in our sphere of perfection as as the Void is in its sphere of infinity and eternity.

In this scenario, the operative ideal would be balance in all things.

I should remind my critics that no self-respecting critic will opine against something about which he or she knows nothing or without positing a viable alternative.

All you are saying is that there is a god and it's rather lovely. Your critics are asking what do you "know" about this god, and how do you know it?

Then I suggest they take a course in reading comprehension and find the courage within themselves to posit a narrative that informs them about who they are, where they come from and how they should live. Anyone can be a critic; not everyone has the wherewithal to posit such a narrative.

[Reflex]

The most important part of a building is a firm foundation. Without this foundation to build upon the building crumbles. It is the same with the kind of hypothesis Reflex wants to construct. Without a solid psychological foundation any emotional recognition of objective human purpose or social theory will collapse. I believe that admitting the human condition is the first step for a psychological foundation.

Well said, though I have to admit I didn't get the rest of it.

[Reflex]

The void is perfect. Perfection requires no dynamism.

Exactly. Nevertheless, there are contingencies and potencies that mystify and inspire and torment: a grand and beautiful Mystery whose source or ground many people call "God."

So, you see, religion isn't about "God" per se, but formulating a conceptual interpretation of our perceived environment -- which in your case includes a Void with which I have no fundamental disagreement.

Scary, no?

[Reflex]

There is no better 'background story' to hearing it direct from the source - something everyone on this site is lacking, you included.

How arrogant and idiotic. Your belief that you ALONE know some ultimate source BLINDS YOU to all else. And it's extraordinarily disrespectful and hateful for you to not see the sacred in all.

Who are you to be the judge of that, Lacewing? I suspect that you to camp went with Ned Flanders in order to learn how to be more judgmental. I'm so sick and tired of your hate-filled rants that you are going on my ignore list which no one else is on.

[Lacewing]

Who are you to be the judge of that, Lacewing?

Who are you to judge all that you judge?

I'm so sick and tired of your hate-filled rants that you are going on my ignore list which no one else is on.

I'm honored!