Who Really is an Atheist?

[Dontaskme]

There is not.

That is the whole point. You are using a thing for which there is no need or use. Actually the only use your beliefs have is to convince you that you have something interesting to talk about. But reality doesn't care what you believe.
You can believe what you want; you can convince yourself of many interesting things; you can even employ good reasoning. But if your core beliefs are unfounded, then every thing that follows is null and void.
Opinions are cheap; knowledge is hard.

I absolutely agree with you.

Then it is s puzzle why you say what you do.

A puzzle to whom?...who is the one that says this is a puzzle and this is not? why does life have to be a puzzle? is life ever puzzled? who is the one making a big puzzle out of it?

I'm not saying anything, and your not hearing or reading anything, everything is just appearing here to no one ...I've no way of knowing or looking at what it is that is appearing to happen...there's just words coming out of my mouth, there is agreeing or disagreeing with what happens ..this is also what happens. I don't even know what we are talking about, I'm only pretending to know what's being said, I don't even know how people are able to talk the things they say or know what anything means, they make it all up as they go along, I' do know that's for sure.. it's just life babbling away over nothing...none of it has got any actual knowable source. It's an irrational game life plays with itself. Even someone as yourself who seeks for rational, logic, ethic or moral sense, is just what's happening, appearing to itself. How do I know anything, everything I know is second hand borrowed knowledge from others that have told or informed me, I have no idea where they got their knowledge from either...it's all basically meaningless in the grand scheme of things, life doesn't give a toss at what's just happening. It just goes on living regardless without a care.

What are human intellects actually trying to understand about reality...reality is what it is and there is no one to know what that is except that it is, there is nothing more to understand other than that.

[Dontaskme]

Hobbes' Choice let me ask you, who told you were naked?

Remember in the garden of eden, when god said to adam and eve who told you were naked?

And then who told you to eat from the tree of knowledge?

We are naked at the core... pretending to wear a mask, there is nothing behind the mask.

All knowledge about the self is illusory.

There is no self in the self.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Hobbes' Choice let me ask you, who told you were naked?

Remember in the garden of eden, when god said to adam and eve who told you were naked?

And then who told you to eat from the tree of knowledge?

We are naked at the core... pretending to wear a mask, there is nothing behind the mask.

All knowledge about the self is illusory.

There is no self in the self.

I remember a STORY about once upon a time in Eden. But I give it no heed. Myths lose their relevance with time. And in any event nakedness was a cultural phenomenon long before the Jews walked the earth, so it was misdirected even then.

[Dontaskme]

I remember a STORY about once upon a time in Eden. But I give it no heed. Myths loose their relevance with time. And in any event nakedness was a cultural phenomenon long before the Jews walked the earth, so it was misdirected even then.

Well it was a metaphorical story written by no one... pointing to the obvious emptiness of reality.

The myth of self enquiry was relevant in the story,in that there is no self.

[Hobbes' Choice]

I remember a STORY about once upon a time in Eden. But I give it no heed. Myths loose their relevance with time. And in any event nakedness was a cultural phenomenon long before the Jews walked the earth, so it was misdirected even then.

Well it was a metaphorical story written by no one... pointing to the obvious emptiness of reality.

The myth of self enquiry was relevant in the story,in that there is no self.

Who wrote that?

[Hobbes' Choice]

I saw this on FB today. If you are an atheist give it your tuppence worth and let them know what sort of an atheist you are.

The data confirms what studies I've seen already show. That atheism predicts high for more education; and a preference for "atheist" over other terms.

http://www.atheistcensus.com

[Dontaskme]

Well it was a metaphorical story written by no one... pointing to the obvious emptiness of reality.

The myth of self enquiry was relevant in the story,in that there is no self.

Who wrote that?

The one beating your heart...the one seeing though your eyes.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Well it was a metaphorical story written by no one... pointing to the obvious emptiness of reality.

The myth of self enquiry was relevant in the story,in that there is no self.

Who wrote that?

The one beating your heart...the one seeing though your eyes.

If there is no me - how can I see through my eyes?

[Dontaskme]

If there is no me - how can I see through my eyes?

There is no 'me' but this is not bad news, it's actually very good news, let me try and explain...sorry for it being a tad lengthy ..but I hope you have the patience to read it, and would be grateful for your comments.

There is no 'me' inside a body, what you think you are is not the body, you are the seeing itself. The eye in the body is not the seer... the eyeball is the instrument of seeing, like a bell is the instrument of sound, the sound is not inside the bell, the sound is a phantom phenomena that comes from silence and dissolves back into the silence from where it arose, sound like seeing has no actual location or substance. In the same context, the ''me' is a phantom idea arising within the body mind mechanism that believes it is the one seeing from inside the body looking at things out there. But, the seer is not inside the body, the seer cannot be located at all.

The seer looking though the eye of the body is unknown to the eye that it sees through... because eyes don't know, neither do brains, ask an actual brain anything and you'll not get any response physical matter does not know anything..what does know is unknowable by the body mind mechanism...even though the seer is known as evidenced by the very act of seeing an object. What is knowing this is unknowable because the knowing is one unitary action. The knowing is not human. Seeing is one. It's the same seer in every living creature.

So what this is saying is that seeing is known as evidenced in the seen the seer is seeing, but the seer itself can't been seen directly by another because the seer is one, that one is real, but the idea there is a separate 'me' seeing is not real, it's just an idea or a sensation arising in the body. It is true that without the instrument aka the body nothing would be sensed or seen.

The seer cannot see itself, it can only be known in it's reflection - there is no person or me in a reflection. The reflection is believed to be a 'me'....when you look in the mirror at your image, the image of 'me' is known as reflected, the seer is known in the reflection only, but the reflection is not the actual seer ...the actual seer can never be seen, only known as imaged...the reflection is believed to be the seer, but it is not... what happens is the reflection acts as a trigger for thought within the body that believes the reflection to be real without questioning who is seeing the reflection. It's the seer of the reflection that is real, not the reflection. The real in this case can never be seen, only known. So although the real is evident in the seen, it's only an appearance, so it's actually a fiction.

A thought triggered by the reflection thinks the image in the mirror is the body and that this body is mine and I am the one seeing from my body because there is my reflection... but thoughts are not the body, they are appearances coming and going within the body like sensation and sound...the body being the instrument for this phenomena to manifest itself as a living seeing walking talking sensing robot....and that's all the body is, it's a robot which allows energetic information to pass through it giving it life....in the same way a radio is used as the mechanism by which sound and music channels are transmitted. The human robot's brain is like a usb stick in which information is stored and is why the robot is able to function like it does...it is ever living from it's memory...and is why the human brain can only know or experience what has been logged in there by an external information source. If a robot asks another robot some information about a subject and the robot doesn't know the answer, it does not mean the robot is not intelligent, it just means the robot has not got that information programmed into it yet. The human robot can only know what's already in it's memory bank, aka the brain. Intelligence is not in the robot, the intelligence is that which built the robot, and that is some mighty intelligent phenomena.

The subject object duality of mirror and reflection causes the split between the seer and the seen appearing to be two. Seer and Seen. The mirror trick is showing a reflected face back to a faceless phenomena, it's a double negative..it's a seer without a face. Therefore the assumed 'me' or face in the mirror is an appearance of oneness, the image has no separate identity apart from the imageless faceless seer.. the reflected one is not separate in it's own right independent of the seer. It's inseparable from the seer...all of existence is an illusion in that there is no separate entity experiencing it. There is only oneness experiencing itself in many uni forms as evidenced in the reflected seen.

[Reflex]

I believe nothing.

I love it when people say that. Has me rolling on the floor with laughter every time.

[sthitapragya]

If there is no me - how can I see through my eyes?

Dude, don't engage. Get out of this twilight zone or your brain will literally melt. If you ever wondered what a zombie spouting philosophy would be like, this is it.

[Dontaskme]

Dude, don't engage. Get out of this twilight zone or your brain will literally melt. If you ever wondered what a zombie spouting philosophy would be like, this is it.

sthitapragya if you prefer to live as a zombie then you will always be missing the bigger picture. See below... In other words make sure you are identified with the correct ''I'' and not get too hung up on the zombie mentality....zombies cannot know the truth without first informing themselves what that truth is....now I wonder how a zombie is going to inform itself? hmm, maybe the zombie is already in form....hmm I wonder!

The nature of phenomena is nondual,
but each one, in its own state,
is beyond the limits of the mind.
There is no concept that can define
the condition of "what is"
but vision nevertheless manifests:
all is good.

From; "Dzogchen: The Self-Perfected State"

[Lacewing]

Etc., etc.

I don't think you ever answered (?) the following question that I posed to you somewhere in this forum... and I would like to hear what your answer is. Please just focus on answering for yourself... not on explaining "what is" for all.

Dontaskme... are you able to stop explaining how and what everything and everyone is... and just lay quietly in the grass in the sunshine, and empty your head of all words and concepts... and just breathe... and then stay quiet when you stand back up, and allow yourself and all else to simply be what-the-hell-ever without all the explanations?

[Hobbes' Choice]

I believe nothing.

I love it when people say that. Has me rolling on the floor with laughter every time.

Oh why is that?

[Hobbes' Choice]

If there is no me - how can I see through my eyes?

Dude, don't engage. Get out of this twilight zone or your brain will literally melt. If you ever wondered what a zombie spouting philosophy would be like, this is it.

My eyes keep glazing over !!

Time to run!