attofishpi wrote:
I think those that have crossed a major line - eg pedophiles, most murderers rapists are likely to reincarnate as the beast.
Since i have experienced both sides of heaven and hell here on Earth, i believe it is only experienced here on Earth. I believe you are judged at the time of death as to whether you reincarnate or as to what you reincarnate as.
How does this reincarnation affect the soul? If the soul is reincarnated as the beast what problems does it face?
Most would consider being judged to be less than w\man at the end of their life a punishment.
punish
Verb.
1. impose a penalty on; inflict punishment on
attofishpi wrote:
I think those that have crossed a major line - eg pedophiles, most murderers rapists are likely to reincarnate as the beast.
Since i have experienced both sides of heaven and hell here on Earth, i believe it is only experienced here on Earth. I believe you are judged at the time of death as to whether you reincarnate or as to what you reincarnate as.
How does this reincarnation affect the soul? If the soul is reincarnated as the beast what problems does it face?
Most would consider being judged to be less than w\man at the end of their life a punishment.
punish
Verb.
1. impose a penalty on; inflict punishment on
The soul is not a person. Once the body dies, there are none of the five senses. There is no man or woman left to judge. There is only the soul left. So how does it affect the soul? How does the soul feel pain without the five senses of the body?
sthitapragya wrote:
How does this reincarnation affect the soul? If the soul is reincarnated as the beast what problems does it face?
Most would consider being judged to be less than w\man at the end of their life a punishment.
punish
Verb.
1. impose a penalty on; inflict punishment on
The soul is not a person. Once the body dies, there are none of the five senses. There is no man or woman left to judge. There is only the soul left.
Good point. I believe that when reincarnated as w\man again - many of the key personality attributes remain from the previous life (this is just a reasoned belief)
Whether 'God' keeps the soul alive with the senses after death and bothers to communicate the judgement to the individual i have no idea - but from my experience of the power of this entity - it would be possible.
attofishpi wrote: I believe that when reincarnated as w\man again - many of the key personality attributes remain from the previous life (this is just a reasoned belief)
That raises two issues. First, If many of the key personality attributes of the previous life remain, then the present body cannot call the soul its own because it has traits of another human in it. Second. what good does this do for the soul? How does it help the soul?
attofishpi wrote:Whether 'God' keeps the soul alive with the senses after death and bothers to communicate the judgement to the individual i have no idea - but from my experience of the power of this entity - it would be possible.
Well, even if the five senses are kept alive till judgement, after the judgement they are taken away to be replaced by a fresh set of senses of the new body so the effect of the judgement on the soul would be pretty temporary. So there does not seem to be any point to the punishment,does there?
attofishpi wrote: I believe that when reincarnated as w\man again - many of the key personality attributes remain from the previous life (this is just a reasoned belief)
That raises two issues. First, If many of the key personality attributes of the previous life remain, then the present body cannot call the soul its own because it has traits of another human in it.
No. Ultimately we are the same human - recursing through time - being affected by our new surroundings.
sthitapragya wrote:Second. what good does this do for the soul? How does it help the soul?
Would you like a life as a human again - perhaps to reach a soul mate?
sthitapragya wrote:
attofishpi wrote:Whether 'God' keeps the soul alive with the senses after death and bothers to communicate the judgement to the individual i have no idea - but from my experience of the power of this entity - it would be possible.
Well, even if the five senses are kept alive till judgement, after the judgement they are taken away to be replaced by a fresh set of senses of the new body so the effect of the judgement on the soul would be pretty temporary. So there does not seem to be any point to the punishment,does there?
The penalty is what to consider here and now in ones present life - make the right choices or you may be penalised by losing the right to remain human.
attofishpi wrote:
No. Ultimately we are the same human - recursing through time - being affected by our new surroundings.
How could that be? Human is a body just like an animal is a body. So when the human body dies, the soul remains. How could the soul be human? If it is human, it is not a soul.
attofishpi wrote:Would you like a life as a human again - perhaps to reach a soul mate?
Not particularly, no. But even if I did, that would be the need of the human. What does the soul get out of this series of rebirths? What does the soul accomplish at the end of the journey?
attofishpi wrote:
The penalty is what to consider here and now in ones present life - make the right choices or you may be penalised by losing the right to remain human.
But you are going under the assumption that the soul wants to remain human. What do you think is so special about human life that you do not want to consider other options?
attofishpi wrote:
No. Ultimately we are the same human - recursing through time - being affected by our new surroundings.
How could that be? Human is a body just like an animal is a body. So when the human body dies, the soul remains. How could the soul be human? If it is human, it is not a soul.
Holy shit - we have been down this road before.
I am alive - i have a soul. When i die - if ive been a decent chap my soul is reborn as a human once again. I am now in a new body experiencing another life.
sthitapragya wrote:
attofishpi wrote:Would you like a life as a human again - perhaps to reach a soul mate?
Not particularly, no. But even if I did, that would be the need of the human. What does the soul get out of this series of rebirths? What does the soul accomplish at the end of the journey?
No? Had a pretty nasty life? You don't enjoy life?
sthitapragya wrote:
attofishpi wrote:
The penalty is what to consider here and now in ones present life - make the right choices or you may be penalised by losing the right to remain human.
But you are going under the assumption that the soul wants to remain human. What do you think is so special about human life that you do not want to consider other options?
I don't want to stand in a field chewing cud. I'd rather be a human with at least a little wisdom that i can impart on a philosophy forum. Sad, i know.
sthitapragya wrote:
How could that be? Human is a body just like an animal is a body. So when the human body dies, the soul remains. How could the soul be human? If it is human, it is not a soul.
Holy shit - we have been down this road before.
I am alive - i have a soul. When i die - if ive been a decent chap my soul is reborn as a human once again. I am now in a new body experiencing another life.
Yeah, but that is because the soul is reborn as human. What if you have not been a decent chap? The same soul is now reborn as an animal. The body changed. You cannot call the soul human just because it has a human body right now. It could very well have another body in the next life.
attofishpi wrote:
sthitapragya wrote:
attofishpi wrote:Would you like a life as a human again - perhaps to reach a soul mate?
Not particularly, no. But even if I did, that would be the need of the human. What does the soul get out of this series of rebirths? What does the soul accomplish at the end of the journey?
No? Had a pretty nasty life? You don't enjoy life?
I have had a great life so far. But what's the point of doing the same thing again? And you still haven't told me what the soul gets out of this series of rebirths or at the end of its journey.
Sthit wrote: Who does God actually punish and judge? Your body dies. Let us assume you have a soul which is eternal. Then it is obvious that your soul gets punished. Which would imply that your body and brain are not responsible for your thoughts and actions but your soul is. We would have to assume that since the soul is eternal, it is definitely more powerful than the body and brain. So the soul controls the brain, which in turn controls the body.
Suppose we don’t have a soul but rather the seed of a soul that can become a soul? Then all this talk of punishing a soul doesn’t make sense. What happens to the seed of the soul depends on if it is allowed to grow. If it is starved or corrupted it can devolve on the chain of being and become parts of lower forms of life. It can also be saved within the body of conscious being or as in the “body of Christ.” But this idea of intentionally punishing a potential doesn’t make any sense for me.
"The seed of God is in us. Given an intelligent and hard-working farmer, it will thrive and grow up to God, whose seed it is; and accordingly its fruits will be God-nature. Pear seeds grow into pear trees, nut seeds into nut trees, and God-seed into God." ~ Meister Eckhart
Nick_A wrote:
Suppose we don’t have a soul but rather the seed of a soul that can become a soul? Then all this talk of punishing a soul doesn’t make sense. What happens to the seed of the soul depends on if it is allowed to grow. If it is starved or corrupted it can devolve on the chain of being and become parts of lower forms of life. It can also be saved within the body of conscious being or as in the “body of Christ.” But this idea of intentionally punishing a potential doesn’t make any sense for me.
Okay. Then what would be the purpose of the seed of the soul? Let us say I spend my life in ignorance. So my seed does not grow. Does it wither and die? Or does it live on? If it lives on, what does it do?
Also suppose you become awakened as you desire to be. Your soul will grow into what? And what happens to it after you die? Does it die or live on? If it lives on, what does it do?
sthit wrote: Okay. Then what would be the purpose of the seed of the soul? Let us say I spend my life in ignorance. So my seed does not grow. Does it wither and die? Or does it live on? If it lives on, what does it do?
The primary purpose of the seed of the soul is to become a soul. The primary purpose of an acorn is to become an oak. However the great majority of acorns are either eaten by animals or feed the earth through their decay. Either way the acorn is used, The seed of the soul is used. its energy either is used for its growth or it feeds universal needs through its death.
Also suppose you become awakened as you desire to be. Your soul will grow into what? And what happens to it after you die? Does it die or live on? If it lives on, what does it do?
Why bother with this? What can sleeping people in Plato's cave realistically understand about these things. The evolved human soul, the potential for the seed of a soul, consciously receives from a above and gives to below. It is the same idea as a son of God who consciously receives from above and gives to below. But without opening to this verticality it is just words. So why bother with it if it only produces negativity for you? If a person doesn't feel the inner need such ideas are better left alone.
Also suppose you become awakened as you desire to be. Your soul will grow into what? And what happens to it after you die? Does it die or live on? If it lives on, what does it do?
Why bother with this? What can sleeping people in Plato's cave realistically understand about these things. The evolved human soul, the potential for the seed of a soul, consciously receives from a above and gives to below. It is the same idea as a son of God who consciously receives from above and gives to below. But without opening to this verticality it is just words. So why bother with it if it only produces negativity for you? If a person doesn't feel the inner need such ideas are better left alone.
Why would one logically not bother with it? Everything a human being does, he or she does to get something out of it. No one does anything without knowing what they will get out of it. If you have no idea of what happens to your soul, how do you know that it is not a complete waste of your time? It very well could be. It could very well be that your soul and my seed are in the same boat at the end of our lives.
So you obviously expect something better to happen to your soul compared to mine after you search for this stuff. What is it that you expect? Are you prepared for the possibility that it makes no difference whatsoever?
Skip wrote:That is the single weirdest and most convoluted interpretation of Christian afterlife theology I have ever read.
What is "the beast"?
So my understanding (via a sage) that one is reincarnated to re-live upon Earth as wo\man in an appropriate family judged according to how one has lived ones former life is more weird and convoluted than one being judged and living forever in some paradise or burning in hell? How so?
