Abortion is murder, or is it?

[Hobbes' Choice]

It's cannibalism. I'm sceptical about the article. The site looked pretty dodgy. Probably more bullshit 'pro-life' propaganda.

One imagines the good and fair minded people of South Korea has absolutely no axe to grind against the Chinese; and I have no doubt that their media are balanced and impartial.

I note that in the same paper, another of the letters to the editor claims that the 'occupied territories" of Palestine, are the fairly and legally held territories of Israel and that Palestinians have no right to them.

http://theseoultimes.com/ST/?url=/ST/db ... p?idx=7333
Letters to the Editor
"Occupied Territories"

Published: May 20, 2013



I look forward to many more offerings from the calm and moralistic mind of Nick A., whose home is overrun with the orphans that he has taken under his wing to the detriment of his pocket and savings.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

It's cannibalism. I'm sceptical about the article. The site looked pretty dodgy. Probably more bullshit 'pro-life' propaganda.

One imagines the good and fair minded people of South Korea has absolutely no axe to grind against the Chinese; and I have no doubt that their media are balanced and impartial.

I note that in the same paper, another of the letters to the editor claims that the 'occupied territories" of Palestine, are the fairly and legally held territories of Israel and that Palestinians have no right to them.

http://theseoultimes.com/ST/?url=/ST/db ... p?idx=7333



I look forward to many more offerings from the calm and moralistic mind of Nick A., whose home is overrun with the orphans that he has taken under his wing to the detriment of his pocket and savings.

You have to wonder how he 'just happened' upon it.

[Hobbes' Choice]

It's cannibalism. I'm sceptical about the article. The site looked pretty dodgy. Probably more bullshit 'pro-life' propaganda.

One imagines the good and fair minded people of South Korea has absolutely no axe to grind against the Chinese; and I have no doubt that their media are balanced and impartial.

I note that in the same paper, another of the letters to the editor claims that the 'occupied territories" of Palestine, are the fairly and legally held territories of Israel and that Palestinians have no right to them.

http://theseoultimes.com/ST/?url=/ST/db ... p?idx=7333



I look forward to many more offerings from the calm and moralistic mind of Nick A., whose home is overrun with the orphans that he has taken under his wing to the detriment of his pocket and savings.

You have to wonder how he 'just happened' upon it.

Exactly my thought.
I think he just reached out with his hand because he already lives at the bottom of the trash can.
Here's an except from the "Flea Market" section of the Seoul Times.

No.900: What A **** Of A Fucking Waste This Website Is!!!!
View: 132Date: 2015-06-01 20:20:24
Name: Albert
The Seoul Times is the most fucking wasteful website I have come across. It still shows news from over 10 years ago. The website has several user source forums. But who uses them????
Who is Joseph Joh? Where is Joseph Joh?
An individual claiming to be the Seoul Times President called Timblick. Never heard of him
Thank goodness for the Korea Times and Herald

Your IP : 185.56.xxx.xxx

"Name: Albert [Email]
This online rag is run by incompetent idiots. Check some of the stories. Never updated, many going back in years. Nothing new all old.

Your IP : 213.160.xxx.xxx"

[Hobbes' Choice]

The Seoul Times is a laugh a minute.
GO to America and see a quote by Hilary Clinton next to a picture of Ronald Reagan!!

[vegetariantaxidermy]

The Seoul Times is a laugh a minute.
GO to America and see a quote by Hilary Clinton next to a picture of Ronald Reagan!!

It's very peculiar. Everything on it is obviously written by native English speakers. It hasn't been translated.

[Hobbes' Choice]

The Seoul Times is a laugh a minute.
GO to America and see a quote by Hilary Clinton next to a picture of Ronald Reagan!!

It's very peculiar. Everything on it is obviously written by native English speakers. It hasn't been translated.

It's amazing when you travel and meet ex-pats how crazy they can get, cut off from the mainstream.

[Nick_A]

What's all the fuss about? A fetus is just a zef. it is a part of a woman's body and she can do what she wants with it. If she wants to allow others to eat it, it is her body and none of our business. Is there any reason not to eat what we kill? Isn't it more humane to eat what we kill rather than just throwing it into the garbage? Don't knock it until you try it. Go to china and eat a large bowl of fetus soup and see if you like it. Then your comments will have merit.

[Hobbes' Choice]

What's all the fuss about? A fetus is just a zef. it is a part of a woman's body and she can do what she wants with it. If she wants to allow others to eat it, it is her body and none of our business. Is there any reason not to eat what we kill? Isn't it more humane to eat what we kill rather than just throwing it into the garbage? Don't knock it until you try it. Go to china and eat a large bowl of fetus soup and see if you like it. Then your comments will have merit.

So, why did you waste your grandmother, when she died?

And why do you never answer any questions?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

What's all the fuss about? A fetus is just a zef. it is a part of a woman's body and she can do what she wants with it. If she wants to allow others to eat it, it is her body and none of our business. Is there any reason not to eat what we kill? Isn't it more humane to eat what we kill rather than just throwing it into the garbage? Don't knock it until you try it. Go to china and eat a large bowl of fetus soup and see if you like it. Then your comments will have merit.

How about YOU come BACK to US when you get pregnant. And try to learn a little scepticism and critical thinking. They go a long way.

[Conde Lucanor]

I think the problem is not appropriately addressed by the way the question is proposed. There is an implicit notion of wrongfulness in the word "murder", so if the author wants us to consider abortion from that perspective, he/she is already implying a moral weight in the answer, even if not explicitly stated. That also leaves outside of the problem the possibility of being wrong or right for other reasons. I mean, it might be or not be murder and still be morally right or wrong.

In this issue I always tend to agree with the decision in Roe vs. Wade and a well known essay by Carl Sagan and wife, which you can find here: http://www.2think.org/abortion.shtml. I don't believe in holding a universal, abstract notion, that would apply to all cases, as it is most of the time in the debate between "pro-life" and "pro-choice". I agree with freedom of choice, but not without limitations. In many circumstances, abortion is the rightful decision and in some others, it's not. Aborting an 8+ months foetus (which fortunately is rare) doesn't seem right to me. It might not be murder, it might have extenuating circumstances, but that doesn't mean it should not be punishable. And it doesn't have to be punishable in the same way that infanticide is punished. But punishment for the abortion of a foetus that has developed only for a few weeks does not seem reasonable and just, and usually appeals only to those who hold the idealistic, nonsensical, abstract notions of life taken from the religious field.

[Nick_A]

Hobbes wrote:

So, why did you waste your grandmother, when she died?

I do not want to kill babies or grandmothers so don't feel the need or the obligation to eat the kill. However you are one of those who supports killing the fetus for convenience. Why? How can you support killing zefs without at least trying a bowl of fetal soup to at least honor the kill? It isn't cheap but you may enjoy it and participate in a new trend.

http://hubpages.com/food/Disturbing-Chi ... -Baby-Soup

Stamina and Potency


Many Chinese people believe this expensive soup gives them extra vitality in the bedroom department.

The nutrients in the placenta are world known to contain vital vitamins which is usually eaten by the mother of animal after the birth of their young. In China, it is the humans doing the eating, and not the afterbirth of their own children, but the unborn babies of others.

A reporter went undercover to expose this sick trade where unfortunate unborn babies were sold for the highest price to restaurants.

You will not find it on any restaurant menu, you have to be trusted by the restaurant owner, then wait whilst a pregnant person can be found who does not want to keep their unborn child.

The wait can take several weeks until a suitable baby has been aborted, then sold for cooking. The baby is boiled with bits of chicken, expensive herbs, and is now being sold in a Canton restaurant.


A client of 62 years swears that it is excellent for him as he now makes love to his 19 year old wife every day.

A single bowl of this soup costs around $600, The unborn babies cost about $200 if they are close to full term before being aborted. The placenta sells for about $30.

Authorities and world organisations have been informed

I know the sale of fetal soup would be banned in the United States by those horrible right wingers but would you as a progressive thinker join the movement to allow for the sale of fetal soup obtained from fresh abortions? As you can see there is good money in fetal soup. If not, why not?

[sthitapragya]

Hobbes wrote:

So, why did you waste your grandmother, when she died?

I do not want to kill babies or grandmothers so don't feel the need or the obligation to eat the kill. However you are one of those who supports killing the fetus for convenience. Why? How can you support killing zefs without at least trying a bowl of fetal soup to at least honor the kill? It isn't cheap but you may enjoy it and participate in a new trend.

http://hubpages.com/food/Disturbing-Chi ... -Baby-Soup

Stamina and Potency


Many Chinese people believe this expensive soup gives them extra vitality in the bedroom department.

The nutrients in the placenta are world known to contain vital vitamins which is usually eaten by the mother of animal after the birth of their young. In China, it is the humans doing the eating, and not the afterbirth of their own children, but the unborn babies of others.

A reporter went undercover to expose this sick trade where unfortunate unborn babies were sold for the highest price to restaurants.

You will not find it on any restaurant menu, you have to be trusted by the restaurant owner, then wait whilst a pregnant person can be found who does not want to keep their unborn child.

The wait can take several weeks until a suitable baby has been aborted, then sold for cooking. The baby is boiled with bits of chicken, expensive herbs, and is now being sold in a Canton restaurant.


A client of 62 years swears that it is excellent for him as he now makes love to his 19 year old wife every day.

A single bowl of this soup costs around $600, The unborn babies cost about $200 if they are close to full term before being aborted. The placenta sells for about $30.

Authorities and world organisations have been informed

I know the sale of fetal soup would be banned in the United States by those horrible right wingers but would you as a progressive thinker join the movement to allow for the sale of fetal soup obtained from fresh abortions? As you can see there is good money in fetal soup. If not, why not?

Supporters of abortion do not believe there is any killing involved in the removal of a fetus. That is why even your government has not made it illegal. The supporters of abortion do not worship women who abort a foetus.

You however worship a God who on a daily basis mutely watches as children die slow and horrible deaths. He has the power to stop it. He does nothing about it. So if anything, you are supporting the slow and horrible deaths of little children. But we don't tell you to eat those children, do we? That is because we have the sense to understand that there is no correlation between worshiping a God who allows children to die and eating them. Just as there is no correlation between supporting abortion and eating a foetus.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Hobbes wrote:

So, why did you waste your grandmother, when she died?

I do not want to kill babies or grandmothers so don't feel the need or the obligation to eat the kill. However you are one of those who supports killing the fetus for convenience. Why? How can you support killing zefs without at least trying a bowl of fetal soup to at least honor the kill? It isn't cheap but you may enjoy it and participate in a new trend.

You are already a laughing stock on this Forum and this is not going to be alleviated by trying to misrepresent your interlocutors. I've never advocated eating human flesh, but spoken against it.

I asked about grandmothers before I knew that you think you have to kill them before you eat them.

I asked you why you do not eat people that have died of natural causes, because it is the same reason that I don't want to eat babies.
I might even kill a person, but I'd still not want to eat them. I'd kill a spider and not want to eat it too.

Eating is not the same as killing.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Hobbes wrote:

So, why did you waste your grandmother, when she died?

I do not want to kill babies or grandmothers so don't feel the need or the obligation to eat the kill. However you are one of those who supports killing the fetus for convenience. Why? How can you support killing zefs without at least trying a bowl of fetal soup to at least honor the kill? It isn't cheap but you may enjoy it and participate in a new trend.

http://hubpages.com/food/Disturbing-Chi ... -Baby-Soup

Stamina and Potency


Many Chinese people believe this expensive soup gives them extra vitality in the bedroom department.

The nutrients in the placenta are world known to contain vital vitamins which is usually eaten by the mother of animal after the birth of their young. In China, it is the humans doing the eating, and not the afterbirth of their own children, but the unborn babies of others.

A reporter went undercover to expose this sick trade where unfortunate unborn babies were sold for the highest price to restaurants.

You will not find it on any restaurant menu, you have to be trusted by the restaurant owner, then wait whilst a pregnant person can be found who does not want to keep their unborn child.

The wait can take several weeks until a suitable baby has been aborted, then sold for cooking. The baby is boiled with bits of chicken, expensive herbs, and is now being sold in a Canton restaurant.


A client of 62 years swears that it is excellent for him as he now makes love to his 19 year old wife every day.

A single bowl of this soup costs around $600, The unborn babies cost about $200 if they are close to full term before being aborted. The placenta sells for about $30.

Authorities and world organisations have been informed

I know the sale of fetal soup would be banned in the United States by those horrible right wingers but would you as a progressive thinker join the movement to allow for the sale of fetal soup obtained from fresh abortions? As you can see there is good money in fetal soup. If not, why not?

Supporters of abortion do not believe there is any killing involved in the removal of a fetus. That is why even your government has not made it illegal. The supporters of abortion do not worship women who abort a foetus.

You however worship a God who on a daily basis mutely watches as children die slow and horrible deaths. He has the power to stop it. He does nothing about it. So if anything, you are supporting the slow and horrible deaths of little children. But we don't tell you to eat those children, do we? That is because we have the sense to understand that there is no correlation between worshiping a God who allows children to die and eating them. Just as there is no correlation between supporting abortion and eating a foetus.

NIck A. is confused. He is incapable of making a distinction between killing and eating. Don't pander to this obvious and childish moving of the goal posts.
It's the fallacy of shifting the ground.

[sthitapragya]

NIck A. is confused. He is incapable of making a distinction between killing and eating. Don't pander to this obvious and childish moving of the goal posts.
It's the fallacy of shifting the ground.

Actually, I was thinking that he should get over his unhealthy obsession of forcing fetuses down other people's throats otherwise his higher consciousness will probably leave and look for safer places to hide. The poor higher consciousness must be wondering what the fuck he got himself into. Literally.