Demonic Possession

[Nick_A]

I've been discussing blind belief and blind denial here and I'd like to add something regardless of responses I may get.

A lot of New Age practices are harmful in ways you are probably unaware of. They speak of peace, love, oneness and all sorts of feelgoodisms. They may not be a wonderful as assumed. They make one vulnerable.

I remember the time when I was the divorced musician living with the town witch. Lots of great energy but there was a side I was wary of and far easier for me to understand now. Lots of nice people all living in imagination. But I learned a great deal about human psyche and escapism. A lot of New Age practices are really just making money off of escapism. There may also be a worse side to it

A Course in Miracles is a popular new Age belief system which IMO is pure escapism. It is harmless for most since they take it superficially. But some can delve deep into escapism including channeling leaving a void open for anything. You don't have to believe the following link. I site it as describing a harmful potential for escapism. Take from it what you will. Escapism into oneness doesn't necessarily result in wonderfulness

http://www.ewtn.com/library/newage/course.txt

...............Mrs. Schucman, a Columbia University professor and psychologist, was
an acquaintance of Fr. Benedict J. Groeschel, C.F.R. (seen on EWTN).
Fr. Groeschel gave a eulogy at her funeral. Fr. Groeschel wrote (2),
"This woman who had written so eloquently that suffering really did
not exist spent the last two years of her life in the blackest
psychotic depression I have ever witnessed." Fr. Groeschel is a holy,
practical, wise, no nonsense priest, and psychologist. During an
October 1994 lecture on "Discernment" given at Holy Cross Church,
Rumson, N.J., Fr. Groeschel stated that he believed that Helen
Shucman's experience with the channeled "spirit" was possibly a true
diabolic manifestation. Fr. Groeschel's experience as a psychologist
and priest included being called upon by his Bishop to investigate
reported diabolic manifesta- tions in his New York City diocese. In
the lecture Fr. Groeschel de- scribed one experience - called as an
exorcist - where he witnessed objects unexplainably being thrown
about a room. At the end of a lengthy discussion he attributed that
particular experience to paranormal manifestations - but not diabolic
in nature (3).................................

[Harbal]

A lot of New Age practices are harmful in ways you are probably unaware of. They speak of peace, love, oneness and all sorts of feelgoodisms. They may not be a wonderful as assumed. They make one vulnerable.

I hope you're not advocating rejecting "New Age practices" without giving full consideration to their merits. Simply dismissing something out of hand merely because it lacks plausibility sounds like no more than blind denial, to me.

[Nick_A]

Harbal wrote:

I hope you're not advocating rejecting "New Age practices" without giving full consideration to their merits. Simply dismissing something out of hand merely because it lacks plausibility sounds like no more than blind denial, to me.

I'm not rejecting New Age practices. I am rejecting intense ego justifying escapism; dedication to imagining reality. It is a characteristic of both blind belief and blind denial. Intense ego justifying is what allows people to fly planes into buildings. It is what prevents a person opening to the experience of the spiritual truths so much a natural part of a person's being.

The trouble with some New Age practices including the escape into "oneness" is that they seem harmless and wonderful. This thread is a warning about the negative power of imagination. Take from it what you will.

[Harbal]

Intense ego justifying is what allows people to fly planes into buildings. It is what prevents a person opening to the experience of the spiritual truths so much a natural part of a person's being.
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I don't think the people who flew into the Twin Towers could be described as New Age. As far as "spiritual truths" are concerned, I can't comment, as I have never experienced any.

[Nick_A]

Harbal wrote:

I don't think the people who flew into the Twin Towers could be described as New Age. As far as "spiritual truths" are concerned, I can't comment, as I have never experienced any.

Again, I'm not rejecting New Age practices. I am rejecting intense ego justifying escapism; dedication to imagining reality.. This form of escapism, an expression of either blind belief or blind denial, though often appearing harmless and wonderful, can have catastrophic results as it did with Mrs Schucman.

[Harbal]

Again, I'm not rejecting New Age practices. I am rejecting intense ego justifying escapism; dedication to imagining reality.. This form of escapism, an expression of either blind belief or blind denial, though often appearing harmless and wonderful, can have catastrophic results as it did with Mrs Schucman.

I don't subscribe to what you call "New Age" beliefs and neither do I subscribe to "spirituality". All I will say is that if you are inviting meaningful discussion on these topics you should refrain from loading your descriptions of them with your own subjective bias.

[Nick_A]

Harbal wrote:

I don't subscribe to what you call "New Age" beliefs and neither do I subscribe to "spirituality". All I will say is that if you are inviting meaningful discussion on these topics you should refrain from loading your descriptions of them with your own subjective bias.

Again, I am rejecting intense ego justifying escapism; dedication to imagining reality.. New Age philosophy is just one classification within which it takes place. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." Escapism can destroy the best of intentions. If you believe my rejection is an unfounded bias and people are not guilty of self deception to the degree that they hide within escapism to their own disadvantage even to the degree of what happened to Mrs. Schucman, tell me how.

[Lacewing]

Again, I am rejecting intense ego justifying escapism; dedication to imagining reality..

Ah yes... the old IEJE-DTIR!

Why are you rejecting anything Nick? Are you a blind rejecter?

Seriously, ALL potential energy is surely wafting through and around us all the time. You don't even have to be consciously channeling or "opening ourselves" to have all sorts of things come through. If you devote energy to defining what you want to reject, are you actually giving more power/substance to that which you want to reject?

What happens, I wonder, if we spiritually embrace it and say... "we are one, there is no separation to oppose." Unless of course you really believe that everything/everyone is separate, in which case, you can fight with all your separate selves into oblivion.

[HexHammer]

I think it's due to mass hysteria and insanity. Only in USA does kukus have multiple personality disorder, so it seems that it's a local phenomenon.

[Harbal]

I think it's due to mass hysteria and insanity. Only in USA does kukus have multiple personality disorder, so it seems that it's a local phenomenon.

Well you should count yourself lucky you only have a single personality disorder.

[Nick_A]

Lacewing wrote:

"we are one, there is no separation to oppose."

Seeing oneself as the center of the universe is demonic. It is glorified egoism. While I agree that at a certain level Man within the world of forms is a unity. Man on earth is a plurality both inwardly and as society. Denying the human condition and refusing to experience it as a unique individual only increases slavery to the human condition.

[HexHammer]

I think it's due to mass hysteria and insanity. Only in USA does kukus have multiple personality disorder, so it seems that it's a local phenomenon.

Well you should count yourself lucky you only have a single personality disorder.

Think it's better to have a disorder than to be a retard.

..just saying..

[Harbal]

Think it's better to have a disorder than to be a retard.

..just saying..

Well stop being one and just concentrate on your disorder.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

I think it's due to mass hysteria and insanity. Only in USA does kukus have multiple personality disorder, so it seems that it's a local phenomenon.

True. People used to be just insane or neurotic. Now everything's a 'disorder' or a 'syndrome'. What do you call a village idiot when a country is made up almost entirely of village idiots? You do get lots of rich 'therapists' though.

[HexHammer]

Think it's better to have a disorder than to be a retard.

..just saying..

Well stop being one and just concentrate on your disorder.

I let you about the retardness ..u'r soo good at it.