miscarriage: Murder?

[sthitapragya]

If you don't think abortion is murder, then this question was not for you anyway.

Everybody should have a fair say in this forum.

Sure and you are welcome. But the question was very specific so your answer becomes irrelevant, if you don't believe abortion is murder. The question is specifically for people who believe in the intelligent designer AND believe that abortion is murder.

[Lacewing]

Does god get tired?

Yes of stupid people, that's why he smites stupid people.

So you must think everyone that is still here is very intelligent.

You said, "Nor are everything an action of god, only very few." Gee, I wonder how god chooses when to intervene... and why god only goes into action a few times? Evidently he uses up his energy smiting stupid people, but based on what you've said, there must only be a few of them.

Do you do anything other than talk crap?

[sthitapragya]

If you believe that there is an intelligent designer and you believe that abortion is taking of a life equivalent to murder, then if a woman suffers a miscarriage due to genetic conditions, did the intelligent designer commit murder?

No. When this hapens it is God/the Creator working in mysterious ways.

Oh I completely agree that the creator works in mysterious ways and therefore why he does things cannot be questioned by us mere mortals. I am simply asking for a definition of this particular action. Is it murder or not?

[Dalek Prime]

Just want to say how sorry I am for the experience you and your family went through, Harbal.

[Harbal]

Just want to say how sorry I am for the experience you and your family went through, Harbal.

That's kind of you. It's the best part of ten years since so we're all over the worst now but it's not something that ever goes away completely. My reason for telling the story was to make the point that sometimes it's better for everyone if people keep their stupid beliefs to themselves.

[Harbal]

Yes of stupid people, that's why he smites stupid people.

How can you use a word like "smite" and expect to have any credibility when you call someone else stupid? What kind of a block head are you?

[Hobbes' Choice]

God's hammer falls equally on the good and the evil; on rich and poor; and on the faithful as much as the faithless; though usually the rich can stay his hand a bit longer, though having enough to eat and private health insurance.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Yes of stupid people, that's why he smites stupid people.

If God smites the stupid then he would done so to you long ago.

[HexHammer]

If you don't think abortion is murder, then this question was not for you anyway.

Everybody should have a fair say in this forum.

Sure and you are welcome. But the question was very specific so your answer becomes irrelevant, if you don't believe abortion is murder. The question is specifically for people who believe in the intelligent designer AND believe that abortion is murder.

If the question was .."what would you saw a flying pink elephant?" ..then I say such thing is irrelevant because it wouldn't be possible, thus the question isn't philosophical.

You pose a question where the premise is questionable, thus I point that out to the general public, so they can decide better for an answer.

[HexHammer]

Yes of stupid people, that's why he smites stupid people.

How can you use a word like "smite" and expect to have any credibility when you call someone else stupid? What kind of a block head are you?

Apparently not a dimwit like you.

[HexHammer]

Does god get tired?

Yes of stupid people, that's why he smites stupid people.

So you must think everyone that is still here is very intelligent.

You said, "Nor are everything an action of god, only very few." Gee, I wonder how god chooses when to intervene... and why god only goes into action a few times? Evidently he uses up his energy smiting stupid people, but based on what you've said, there must only be a few of them.

Do you do anything other than talk crap?

Did I say "ALL stupid people"?

If you had elevated reasoning skills, then you would understand, but you have not, so you see it only as unreasonable attacks.

[HexHammer]

Yes of stupid people, that's why he smites stupid people.

If God smites the stupid then he would done so to you long ago.

..so can you actually make a well reasoned case against me of why I am stupid? ..I ONLY see your half witted whining about me.

[sthitapragya]

If the question was .."what would you saw a flying pink elephant?" ..then I say such thing is irrelevant because it wouldn't be possible, thus the question isn't philosophical.

You pose a question where the premise is questionable, thus I point that out to the general public, so they can decide better for an answer.

Which part is questionable? If you believe that there is an intelligent designer and you believe that abortion is taking of a life equivalent to murder, then if a woman suffers a miscarriage due to genetic conditions, did the intelligent designer commit murder?

1. You believes that there is an intelligent designer. The intelligent designer does not make mistakes.

2. You also believe that abortion is murder.

3. A woman has a miscarriage due to genetic conditions.

4. Therefor she was genetically designed to abort the fetus, as the intelligent designer does not make mistakes.

5. the intelligent designer designed the woman and the fetus thus intent was for the fetus to abort.

6. This implies that there is intent to abort.

7. Intent to abort is murder, provided you believe abortion is murder.

8. You believe in the intelligent designer. You also believe that abortion is murder.

9. So the intelligent designer committed murder.

Where is the flaw?

[Gary Childress]

If you believe that there is an intelligent designer and you believe that abortion is taking of a life equivalent to murder, then if a woman suffers a miscarriage due to genetic conditions, did the intelligent designer commit murder?

Great point. Sounds sort of along the lines of one of the variations on the problem of evil.

1. God created everything that exists.
2. God does not create evil.
3. Evil exists.

[Walker]

Where is the flaw?

Only human beings can murder and murder is a mistake on life.
According to tenets 1 & 4 the intelligent designer does not make mistakes.