miscarriage: Murder?

[sthitapragya]

If you believe that there is an intelligent designer and you believe that abortion is taking of a life equivalent to murder, then if a woman suffers a miscarriage due to genetic conditions, did the intelligent designer commit murder?

[Harbal]

If you believe that there is an intelligent designer and you believe that abortion is taking of a life equivalent to murder, then if a woman suffers a miscarriage due to genetic conditions, did the intelligent designer commit murder?

No. When this hapens it is God/the Creator working in mysterious ways.

[Lacewing]

When this hapens it is God/the Creator working in mysterious ways.

You bring up a good point my scantily-robed friend.

Why isn't all the other crazy-ass shit that happens considered to be God working in mysterious ways? Who gets to conveniently pick and choose WHICH things go in the category of mysterious ways?

[Harbal]

You bring up a good point my scantily-robed friend.

I never said how scantily, or otherwise, I was robed, that is just the product of your wicked imagination.

Why isn't all the other crazy-ass shit that happens considered to be God working in mysterious ways? Who gets to conveniently pick and choose WHICH things go in the category of mysterious ways?

My daughter lost her first baby, it was about a week before it was due, they induced her and delivered the baby in the normal way. It was a girl. Afterwards, they suggested she nurse the baby for a while, apparently it helps with the grieving process. It was the worse thing I've ever been through and I can't even imagine what it was like for my daughter and her husband. At one point I heard my son-in-law's mother say "she's beautiful, that's why he took her". I've never wanted to kill anyone as badly as I wanted to kill that stupid woman.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

My daughter lost her first baby, it was about a week before it was due, they induced her and delivered the baby in the normal way. It was a girl. Afterwards, they suggested she nurse the baby for a while, apparently it helps with the grieving process. It was the worse thing I've ever been through and I can't even imagine what it was like for my daughter and her husband. At one point I heard my son-in-law's mother say "she's beautiful, that's why he took her". I've never wanted to kill anyone as badly as I wanted to kill that stupid woman.

Yes. It's odd that kristians can be as insensitive and offensive as they please. It's always 'oh, they mean well'. Sure they do. I wonder how they would feel in the same situation if someone said to them, 'never mind. It will make wonderful fertilizer for the garden'.

[Lacewing]

they suggested she nurse the baby for a while, apparently it helps with the grieving process.

Really? That sounds INSANE.

How terrible for your daughter and all of you.

At one point I heard my son-in-law's mother say "she's beautiful, that's why he took her". I've never wanted to kill anyone as badly as I wanted to kill that stupid woman.

People say really stupid things when they're stressed and heartbroken. Hopefully that was her excuse. It's the ones who say stupid things the rest of the time that I wish God would use his mysterious ways on. When my mother recently died, one of her Christian friends (who doesn't know me) chose that moment to tell me how I had NOT been a good daughter -- which is so completely opposite of the truth, and was based solely on the fact that my mom had been wanting sympathy from this woman in one of my mom's downtrodden moments, which my mom suffered from throughout her life (regardless of how much love and attention she was receiving). For an instant, I thought the woman's message had to be some sort of sick joke because I couldn't imagine anyone being that stupid and insensitive... but clearly people can be!

[Harbal]

they suggested she nurse the baby for a while, apparently it helps with the grieving process.

Really? That sounds INSANE.

I know it sounds a bit grotesque but I think it probably was the right thing. Up until then I just felt desperately sorry for and worried about my daughter. When I actually saw her holding her dead daughter it was like being hit by a truck, in an instant it became our tragedy, rather than just hers. Despite how emotionally intense and difficult it was for all of us at the time, I think that in the long run it forced us to deal with it in a healthier way. It made us face the reality of the situation, which was awful, but, in hindsight, it feels right that we went through it. Particularly so for my daughter.

[Lacewing]

Harbal, your explanation is eye-opening and inspiring. Thank you. So many new ways we can learn to see.

[HexHammer]

In order for an action to be murder, the victim has to be defined "alive" and concious, etc ..which a foster isn't in early stages. Nor are everything an action of god, only very few.

God isn't a slave that has to work all day and evry day for stupid humans.

[Harbal]

God isn't a slave that has to work all day and evry day for stupid humans.

If he was, he would have a full time job with you, you fucking idiot.

[HexHammer]

God isn't a slave that has to work all day and evry day for stupid humans.

If he was, he would have a full time job with you, you fucking idiot.

Likewise mr Retard.

[Lacewing]

Nor are everything an action of god, only very few. God isn't a slave that has to work all day and evry day for stupid humans

Does god get tired?

[sthitapragya]

In order for an action to be murder, the victim has to be defined "alive" and concious, etc ..which a foster isn't in early stages. Nor are everything an action of god, only very few.

God isn't a slave that has to work all day and evry day for stupid humans.

If you don't think abortion is murder, then this question was not for you anyway.

[HexHammer]

If you don't think abortion is murder, then this question was not for you anyway.

Everybody should have a fair say in this forum.

[HexHammer]

Nor are everything an action of god, only very few. God isn't a slave that has to work all day and evry day for stupid humans

Does god get tired?

Yes of stupid people, that's why he smites stupid people.