Conceiving how God could logically exist.

[uwot]

lThat a concept predated a particular belief system, does not invalidate the truth of that system, nor does it invalidate the inclusion of that concept into a particular belief system. That some celebrations existed as pagan events, does not invalidate them as Christian celebrations.

Indeed. I don't have a problem with the celebratory aspects of any religion. It is the righteous indignation that people feel, when their beliefs are challenged, and is so easily manipulated for political gain, that is ugly and dangerous. Believe what you will, but do not call people who have a different view illogical, uninformed, irrational, blind deniers, morons, or any of the other insults we are treated to. I would like to say it is unchristian, but it plainly isn't.

[uwot]

What else would expect with one God and many diverse perceives of the one God?

A bit of respect.

[uwot]

Eloquently put, uwot.

Thank you.

[uwot]

Uwot is not nearly as informed as he (?) Pretends to be.

As it happens, I am writing a 10 000 word dissertation on precisely this topic as part of my MSc in history and philosophy of science at UCL, by some measures, the fourth most influential university on the planet. The only US university to better it is MIT, where I am considering studying physics.

[Nick_A]

Uwot wrote: The trinity of father, son and holy ghost are simply the Christian response to the fundamental questions that have probably been thought from the moment intelligence kicked in: Where did the world come from? What is it made of? How does it work? So yeah, there are many elements of Christianity which predate the supposed events; that's where the Romans took the ideas from.

The Holy Trinity is a difficult idea to grasp. It is easy to emotionally deny since it doesn’t invite a quick explanation but instead requires the mind to open rather than close in denial The intellectual skeptic will come to understand it while the emotional blind denier cannot. So a person has to decide if they want to be an intellectual skeptic or an emotional blind denier since both exist.

What if the three forces of the Trinity are explained in Taoism as the interactions of yin, yang, and qi? Maybe there is more to this triune idea than are normal dualistic thought patterns can grasp.

How to approach the problem? Most here prefer to indulge in emotional blind denial and justify dualistic reason. A minority intellectually question and are willing through contemplation to experience and verify the triune reality of the interactions of three forces and their significance. A person has to choose between intellectual doubt and the questions they produce and emotional blind denial and the reactions it produces. Which do they want to dominate their reason?

[artisticsolution]

Uwot wrote: The trinity of father, son and holy ghost are simply the Christian response to the fundamental questions that have probably been thought from the moment intelligence kicked in: Where did the world come from? What is it made of? How does it work? So yeah, there are many elements of Christianity which predate the supposed events; that's where the Romans took the ideas from.

The Holy Trinity is a difficult idea to grasp. It is easy to emotionally deny since it doesn’t invite a quick explanation but instead requires the mind to open rather than close in denial The intellectual skeptic will come to understand it while the emotional blind denier cannot. So a person has to decide if they want to be an intellectual skeptic or an emotional blind denier since both exist.

What if the three forces of the Trinity are explained in Taoism as the interactions of yin, yang, and qi? Maybe there is more to this triune idea than are normal dualistic thought patterns can grasp.

How to approach the problem? Most here prefer to indulge in emotional blind denial and justify dualistic reason. A minority intellectually question and are willing through contemplation to experience and verify the triune reality of the interactions of three forces and their significance. A person has to choose between intellectual doubt and the questions they produce and emotional blind denial and the reactions it produces. Which do they want to dominate their reason?

You seem to have a problem with "blind deniers", what does anyone's choices in life have to do with you? Why do you care what someone else thinks?

It's the tyranny of religious minds that I don't understand. Conformity is big with you guys. You are so distrustful of God's creation.

Aren't you supposed to trust in God? Sit back...relax...he has this covered...if he exists.

[Nick_A]

A R wrote:

You seem to have a problem with "blind deniers", what does anyone's choices in life have to do with you? Why do you care what someone else thinks?

Philosophy is the love of wisdom. It is obvious that there is a division between the intellectual and emotional functions which has become unnatural in relation to the God question. The cause of wisdom demands that a person try to understand the dynamics of this division. It isn't a matter of calling anyone right or wrong but of grasping the dynamics of an obviously unnatural and unnecessary division between thought and emotion.

[sthitapragya]

Uwot wrote: The trinity of father, son and holy ghost are simply the Christian response to the fundamental questions that have probably been thought from the moment intelligence kicked in: Where did the world come from? What is it made of? How does it work? So yeah, there are many elements of Christianity which predate the supposed events; that's where the Romans took the ideas from.

The Holy Trinity is a difficult idea to grasp. It is easy to emotionally deny since it doesn’t invite a quick explanation but instead requires the mind to open rather than close in denial The intellectual skeptic will come to understand it while the emotional blind denier cannot. So a person has to decide if they want to be an intellectual skeptic or an emotional blind denier since both exist.

What if the three forces of the Trinity are explained in Taoism as the interactions of yin, yang, and qi? Maybe there is more to this triune idea than are normal dualistic thought patterns can grasp.

How to approach the problem? Most here prefer to indulge in emotional blind denial and justify dualistic reason. A minority intellectually question and are willing through contemplation to experience and verify the triune reality of the interactions of three forces and their significance. A person has to choose between intellectual doubt and the questions they produce and emotional blind denial and the reactions it produces. Which do they want to dominate their reason?

You seem to have a problem with "blind deniers", what does anyone's choices in life have to do with you? Why do you care what someone else thinks?

It's the tyranny of religious minds that I don't understand. Conformity is big with you guys. You are so distrustful of God's creation.

Aren't you supposed to trust in God? Sit back...relax...he has this covered...if he exists.

It won't work. He is literally the most singlemindedly stupid person I have encountered on this forum. And he is very sincere about it which is why you cannot really dislike him. But talking to him is like talking to a brick wall. His worship of God and Simone override his ability to read what you write. He will simply assume what you wrote and continue in his own vein relentlessly which would be something Simone said. You have to give him that too. The guy is tenacious.

[Reflex]

Uwot is not nearly as informed as he (?) Pretends to be.

As it happens, I am writing a 10 000 word dissertation on precisely this topic as part of my MSc in history and philosophy of science at UCL, by some measures, the fourth most influential university on the planet. The only US university to better it is MIT, where I am considering studying physics.

That explains it, then. You have allowed yourself to be educated into imbecility (to borrow from Malcolm Muggeridge) and conditioned by political correctness and a need to conform in order to succeed.

Some "free thinker" you are.

[Reflex]

It won't work. He is literally the most singlemindedly stupid person I have encountered on this forum. And he is very sincere about it which is why you cannot really dislike him. But talking to him is like talking to a brick wall. His worship of God and Simone override his ability to read what you write. He will simply assume what you wrote and continue in his own vein relentlessly which would be something Simone said. You have to give him that too. The guy is tenacious.

Said the person talking to the reflection in the mirror.

[Reflex]

Philosophy is the love of wisdom. It is obvious that there is a division between the intellectual and emotional functions which has become unnatural in relation to the God question. The cause of wisdom demands that a person try to understand the dynamics of this division. It isn't a matter of calling anyone right or wrong but of grasping the dynamics of an obviously unnatural and unnecessary division between thought and emotion.

Good post, Nick. Especially the last part. The problem with that, though, is that people come to a philosophy forum to be titillated rather than to discuss the relative worth of worldviews.

[Nick_A]

Reflex wrote:

Good post, Nick. Especially the last part. The problem with that, though, is that people come to a philosophy forum to be titillated rather than to discuss the relative worth of worldviews.

Apparently true Reflex. I've learned that the attraction of a philosophy forum for the majority is intellectual jousting making philosophy the last thing that is wanted. I'm glad you are aware of it. A welcome change from the usual.

[uwot]

You have allowed yourself to be educated into imbecility...

I see. So presumably you took your education to a specific point and have refused to learn anything since, for fear of becoming an imbecile, and that is what makes you so smart?

[uwot]

The Holy Trinity is a difficult idea to grasp.

Who told you that? It is a perfectly simple idea to grasp; the difficulty comes with trying to believe it.

So a person has to decide if they want to be an intellectual skeptic or an emotional blind denier since both exist.

Is this an intellectual, or emotional decision?

What if the three forces of the Trinity are explained in Taoism as the interactions of yin, yang, and qi?

Well alright:

I've learned that the attraction of a philosophy forum for the majority is intellectual jousting making philosophy the last thing that is wanted.

What is your philosophical reason for suggesting an equivalence between the trinity and Taoism?

[Nick_A]

Uwot wrote: Who told you that? It is a perfectly simple idea to grasp; the difficulty comes with trying to believe it.

If it is so easy, tell me how God is simultaneously one and three

Is this an intellectual, or emotional decision?

It could be either. That’s the trouble.

What is your philosophical reason for suggesting an equivalence between the trinity and Taoism?

Philosophy is the love of wisdom. The essence of religion joins with the essence of philosophy making the pursuit of wisdom other than self justifying fantasy.

"The wisdom of Plato is not a philosophy, a search for God by means of human reason. . . . . Plato’s wisdom is nothing but an orientation of the soul toward grace.”- La Source Grecque

Conscious contemplation of the Trinity and the vertical relationship of the three elemental forces is one means of consciously turning the soul from its enchantment with the shadows on the wall towards the direction leading to the “light”