Who or What Is God?

[Dontaskme]

God is Nothingness

Nothingness, Here and Now


Nothingness does not invalidate the world we live in; it authenticates it, clarifies it by revealing its true nature. All things are born from Nothingness, abide in and as Nothingness, and eventually subside into Nothingness.

When we realize the Void, we don’t stop caring about our lives. Quite the opposite, in fact. I would argue that any spiritual realization or practice that does not ultimately lead back to a healthier, saner way of engaging our daily lives is incomplete. Enlightenment does not breed indifference or detachment.

The final stage in Zen Buddhist practice is a return to our daily lives with eyes and hearts wide open. Awakening to the Void–to the Absolute Nothingness that is the true nature of all reality–authenticates the world because we are now clear about it. Before we awaken, when we are ensnared in the net of ego and delusion, we think that the world is absolutely real. Even if we have never articulated it, we assume that objects and people and atoms are ultimately solid. That they are independent, discrete entities with their own identities. And when they interact, they are like pinballs bouncing off of one another, colliding, influencing one another; but each is still ultimately self-determinate.

When we see the world this way, we are pulled around by our noses as we chase one thing after another. One desire after another works its way into our obsessed minds.

Realizing the Void undermines those assumptions. We learn that everything we see, hear, smell, taste, touch, feel, and think is actually Nothingness. Nothingness manifests as this world.


When we see the world this way, we are pulled around by our noses as we chase one thing after another. One desire after another works its way into our obsessed minds.

Realizing the Void undermines those assumptions. We learn that everything we see, hear, smell, taste, touch, feel, and think is actually Nothingness. Nothingness manifests as this world.

Two things can happen when we see this:

1. We no longer cling to events, people, objects, etc. in a vain attempt to control them. We don’t need to manipulate them because they are all ultimately Nothing, and therefore not themselves absolutes.

2. We are free to enjoy the world as a magnificent expression of Absolute Nothingness. Our lives, and the wellbeing of all beings, matter. Wonder emerges at the panoply of forms that Nothingness assumes. Everything is of equal value, from a slug to a super nova–it’s all IT.

Far from being a nihilistic insight, the Void clarifies our lives. It authenticates the world in the same way as an antique expert authenticates. The other day I was getting my car repaired and Pawn Stars was on in Mr. Tire’s lobby. On the show, a man wanted to sell a family heirloom, a silver spoon supposedly crafted by Paul Revere. It actually was, which made it very rare. But I learned that there were two Paul Reveres in early American history–Paul Revere Senior and Junior. It was Paul Revere Junior who is very famous, and played such a large role in the Revolutionary War.

Now pretend that the spoon’s owner had learned that the spoon was crafted by Paul Revere, but not the one he had originally assumed. In this scenario, the antique expert authenticates that the spoon is in fact a Revere spoon, just a Revere Senior spoon. (Lucky for the owner, the spoon was made by PR Junior, and thus much more valuable.)

The same is true of Nothingness. It reveals what reality is, which–although not what we had originally thought–is much more powerful. The world is a passing show of the Absolute. Wonderful!

I can’t think of any better news than that. Because once we understand that in our bones, in our very marrow, then we are free to engage the world with wisdom and compassion, liberated from the fetters of greed and ignorance. Nothingness reveals that the highest spiritual goal is to serve others, to help them awaken to the sacred Nothingness at the heart of all ‘being’.

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[Dontaskme]

The ouroboros is the ancient symbol of the snake eating itself, which is symbolic of never ending rebirth, or Resurrection of Self. It also means that that beginning and ending are one in the same. This is similar to the Christian notion of God being the Alpha and Omega. Even in ending, there is a new beginning. This is infinity expressing itself..What begins ends, nothingness sustains.

[yagmursozluk]

I can not answer the question without religion. Religion is organisation of god thing in daily life. So, if i am going to answer the question,firstly i have to know not wo or what but 'which''? If we divide god from its episteme and plastering it without human impression, we can not say anything in these discussions. Let me say it which god? European god or japanese god or anything else....?

[Harbal]

The ouroboros is the ancient symbol of the snake giving itself a blowjob,

[Hobbes' Choice]

[quote="Dontaskme"]The ouroboros is the ancient symbol of the snake eating itself, which is symbolic of never ending rebirth, or Resurrection of Self. It also means that that beginning and ending are one in the same. This is similar to the Christian notion of God being the Alpha and Omega. Even in ending, there is a new beginning. This is infinity expressing itself..What begins ends, nothingness sustains.

SO fucking what?
Why do you think that a picture of a snake that is so hungry it is stupid enough to eat itself is relevant, or important?

[sthitapragya]

The ouroboros is the ancient symbol of the snake eating itself, which is symbolic of never ending rebirth, or Resurrection of Self. It also means that that beginning and ending are one in the same. This is similar to the Christian notion of God being the Alpha and Omega. Even in ending, there is a new beginning. This is infinity expressing itself..What begins ends, nothingness sustains.

SO fucking what?
Why do you think that a picture of a snake that is so hungry it is stupid enough to eat itself is relevant, or important?

You don't get it, HC. The ancients believed it! The ancients! And there is a picture! This is evidence of infinity expressing itself. What more do you want?

[Dalek Prime]

Actually, nothingness is nothingness. This is existence. Massive difference.

[Reflex]

Nothing and something give rise to each other; each is meaningless without the other.

[Dontaskme]

Actually, nothingness is nothingness. This is existence. Massive difference.

Who is here / there to know this is existence ?

Is it the seer?

Is it the thinker?

Is it the sensor?

Is it the belief?


Hmm, I guess the knower is just going to have to be good old mr nobody aka nothingness...
...massive difference between existence and nothingness?... I think not,... more like same difference....actually!

Unless of course you can actually hold up the belief/ thought/knower/seer in front of your eyes and look at it, and then say to yourself... hey, so your the one that knows existence is ..so your the belief/thought /knower/seer of existence.....do you think this is possible, hmm, I don't think so...guess that isn't going to happen any time soon.


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[sthitapragya]

Actually, nothingness is nothingness. This is existence. Massive difference.

Who is here / there to know this is existence ?

Is it the seer?

Is it the thinker?

Is it the sensor?

Is it the belief?


Hmm, I guess the knower is just going to have to be good old mr nobody aka nothingness...
...massive difference between existence and nothingness?... I think not,... more like same difference....actually!

Unless of course you can actually hold up the belief/ thought/knower/seer in front of your eyes and look at it, and then say to yourself... hey, so your the one that knows existence is ..so your the belief/thought /knower/seer of existence.....do you think this is possible, hmm, I don't think so...guess that isn't going to happen any time soon.


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But you do seem claim to know the truth because you are convinced about it otherwise you wouldn't be pointing out the flaws in other people's thinking. So how does that work? Or are you the exception? Are you the enlightened one?

Do you realize that every time you disagree with anyone, you are pointing out that they are wrong and you are right? Which also means that you know? Which means that you do not know according to your own theory?

[Dontaskme]

Actually, nothingness is nothingness. This is existence. Massive difference.

Who is here / there to know this is existence ?

Is it the seer?

Is it the thinker?

Is it the sensor?

Is it the belief?


Hmm, I guess the knower is just going to have to be good old mr nobody aka nothingness...
...massive difference between existence and nothingness?... I think not,... more like same difference....actually!

Unless of course you can actually hold up the belief/ thought/knower/seer in front of your eyes and look at it, and then say to yourself... hey, so your the one that knows existence is ..so your the belief/thought /knower/seer of existence.....do you think this is possible, hmm, I don't think so...guess that isn't going to happen any time soon.


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But you do seem claim to know the truth because you are convinced about it otherwise you wouldn't be pointing out the flaws in other people's thinking. So how does that work? Or are you the exception? Are you the enlightened one?

Do you realize that every time you disagree with anyone, you are pointing out that they are wrong and you are right? Which also means that you know? Which means that you do not know according to your own theory?

I am or existence is known only in the conception of me. aka (knowledge) the known.

Without the knowledge of myself I am nothing.

It's the same for everyone, everyone and every thing else is known via it's concept. What would this be without the thought/concept about it?

Who this knowing known is... I have no idea for I am already that. I am already known therefore I cannot know. I cannot know the knower, it is one with itself. In the same sense the cloud defines the sky, or the sky defines the cloud....they give knowledge (become known) to each other by association but are inseparably one., wouldn't know one without the other. Oneness is subjective objectifying itself, an object cannot subjectify itself because it's already the subject.The 'one' in which all dual phenomena and questions arise and dissolve 'knows'...although 'it' doesn't need to know.

There is a sense of totality here without the need to qualify it... although this too can happen.

You are still over thinking this sthitapragya...there's just what's appearing it's neither right or wrong, for who would be right or wrong, true or untrue, everything is just an appearance known in the appearance one with the knowing which is no thing. This is it.

[Dontaskme]

Saying nothing and everything are the same one feels like it is losing something.

And yet, this one doesn't lose anything because there is nothing to lose.

[sthitapragya]

But you do seem claim to know the truth because you are convinced about it otherwise you wouldn't be pointing out the flaws in other people's thinking. So how does that work? Or are you the exception? Are you the enlightened one?

Do you realize that every time you disagree with anyone, you are pointing out that they are wrong and you are right? Which also means that you know? Which means that you do not know according to your own theory?

I am or existence is known only in the conception of me. aka (knowledge) the known.

Without the knowledge of myself I am nothing.

It's the same for everyone, everyone and every thing else is known via it's concept. What would this be without the thought/concept about it?

Who this knowing known is... I have no idea for I am already that. I am already known therefore I cannot know. I cannot know the knower, it is one with itself. In the same sense the cloud defines the sky, or the sky defines the cloud....they give knowledge (become known) to each other by association but are inseparably one., wouldn't know one without the other. Oneness is subjective objectifying itself, an object cannot subjectify itself because it's already the subject.The 'one' in which all dual phenomena and questions arise and dissolve 'knows'...although 'it' doesn't need to know.

There is a sense of totality here without the need to qualify it... although this too can happen.

You are still over thinking this sthitapragya...there's just what's appearing it's neither right or wrong, for who would be right or wrong, true or untrue, everything is just an appearance known in the appearance one with the knowing which is no thing. This is it.

That is my point. How do you know I am over thinking this? It is because you are sure have found a flaw in my thought process. Which means you claim to know something I do not. You say, "without knowledge of myself I am nothing." that is a declaration. It is something you claim to know. How can you make that claim? Everything you write is in the form of declaration. You claim to know what others do not. All the time. How does that work?

You are constantly pointing out that there is nothing to know which itself is a declaration that you know.

The problem with your theory is that as soon as you talk about it, it becomes a known and therefore it is immediately proved false.

[Dontaskme]

That is my point. How do you know I am over thinking this? It is because you are sure have found a flaw in my thought process. Which means you claim to know something I do not. You say, "without knowledge of myself I am nothing." that is a declaration. It is something you claim to know. How can you make that claim? Everything you write is in the form of declaration. You claim to know what others do not. All the time. How does that work?

You are constantly pointing out that there is nothing to know which itself is a declaration that you know.

What I know is available for all to know. For all is this knowing. The trouble with you is you keep turning this message into an egoic battle of who is right and wrong, and it's not about that, but you are too blind to see that. Why don't you try and listen to what's being said rather than keep taking this personally and literally.

How can this know a thing unless it also knows not a thing? what is known is a thing, the knower of the thing is not a thing, it is that in which things appear. That in which the known appears in unknown. That's how it knows. How frigging simple is that?

The conversation we are having together now arguing about what is true or untrue, who is wrong or right is nothing more than silence sounding. How frigging simple is that?

[Dontaskme]

The problem with your theory is that as soon as you talk about it, it becomes a known and therefore it is immediately proved false.

And allow me to explain why?

Why we tend to overthink this..



All that we know is by virtue of thought, and yet we can't even know thought itself, because every time we look at thought we don't see thought, we just see thoughts about thought. Even the thought we are talking about is created by the knowledge that is given to us.
So the thought is a self- auto-perpetuating mechanism. The body is not interested in that at all. The actions of the body are responses to the stimuli,and it has no separate, independent existence of it's own.

Unfortunately, time is the one that has created the beginning and the end, and it is interested in permanence, whereas the functioning of the body is immortal in it's own way, because it has no beginning, it is not born, so it has no death. So there is a death to the thought, but not to the body.
Thought tends to perpetuate itself, it does not want to come to an end. The mind doesn't exist, but even so it wishes to believe it is immortal.

It is interested in creating an artificial immortality of an entity, self.It knows in a way that it is coming to an end and it's survival, it's continuity,
it's status quo depends upon the continuity of the body. But body is not in any way involved with the thought, because it has no beginning, it has no end.

It is the thought that has created the two points - this is the birth and that is the death. So our illusion that We have a mind is born out of fear.