Feminist Fantasy

[Nick_A]

FDP wrote:

They only get away with it when they aren't breaking the real law.
Feminists don't approve either way, they are definitely known for not approving of stuff that is within the law.

How revolting. Feminists approve of Sharia violence by their silence. "Silence is Domestic Violence's Enabler." Even modern psychology is aware of the obvious. You try to justify it. You have no shame.

[FlashDangerpants]

Feminists oppose all domestic violence. You are the one who thinks it is in some way distinct if the violator holds a religion you don't like.
Sharia is an unenforceable legal code in the USA, it provides no cover or assistance to the abuser. You are citing it as a force because you have an agenda to promote. But you are clearly motivated by spite not justice.

[Arising_uk]

Go down to your local police station and say you want to report thousands of muggings happening all over the world and see what they say. Then report back.

It was your analogy? As such I wasn't talking about the world but your country where every year thousands of women are being raped and or beaten. But according to you that's not your business as its not in the NT.

[Nick_A]

FDP wrote: Feminists oppose all domestic violence. You are the one who thinks it is in some way distinct if the violator holds a religion you don't like.
Sharia is an unenforceable legal code in the USA, it provides no cover or assistance to the abuser. You are citing it as a force because you have an agenda to promote. But you are clearly motivated by spite not justice.

Tell women who are abused by Sharia that it has no force. I imagine you could be cold and callous enough to do something like that. Tell them to theirface it doesn't offer cover or assistance to the abuser as other believers in Sharia offer support and say she had it coming. You would do it if you felt it furthered your agenda

[Nick_A]

Arising wrote:

It was your analogy? As such I wasn't talking about the world but your country where every year thousands of women are being raped and or beaten. But according to you that's not your business as its not in the NT.

It isn't my primary concern because I don't know of any women's group who purport to oppose abuse that ignore one particular source of abuse. Ethical people are united against violence against women except when it comes to sharia. Why? Is it fear of retaliation, a rape fantasy, political and/or financial gain, or something else. That is the question of the thread.

[Arising_uk]

It isn't my primary concern because I don't know of any women's group who purport to oppose abuse that ignore one particular source of abuse. ...

Eh!? Then what have you been wittering on about?

Ethical people are united against violence against women except when it comes to sharia. ...

Not true, many feminist groups are risking death protesting in countries where Sharia law holds force.

Why? Is it fear of retaliation, a rape fantasy, political and/or financial gain, or something else. That is the question of the thread.

If you mean in America, something else is the answer as one, it's a tiny problem compared to the general abuse that is going on, two, it's to do with religion and I thought in your country that is a fairly sacrosanct pastime, for example, you won't write to your politicians about the abuse Christian men are meting out to America women.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

[quote="Arising_uk"]Not true, many feminist groups are risking death protesting in countries where Sharia law holds force.
[quote]

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2015/09/fe ... r-bravery/

He needs to read this. Not that he'll bother since it doesn't fit with his obvious agenda. He will probably take a perv at the titties though.

''Following their protest, the Femen activists have been subjected to calls on Twitter for them to be stoned and collectively raped.''

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1BkYEG ... verified=1

[FlashDangerpants]

Tell women who are abused by Sharia that it has no force. I imagine you could be cold and callous enough to do something like that. Tell them to theirface it doesn't offer cover or assistance to the abuser as other believers in Sharia offer support and say she had it coming. You would do it if you felt it furthered your agenda

There are no women in America abused by Sharia. There are many women in America abused by nasty men.
Those nasty men are not nastier than other men if the worship Allah. They are not given extra legal protections if they worship Allah.

Stop trying to twist words. You just aren't persuasive.

[Nick_A]

Welcome to the club Heather. I don’t understand it either? How can people be so cold and callous to ignore this abuse. You asked ”Why aren’t more non-Muslim feminists speaking up about violence against women in Muslim-majority countries? It is beginning in America as well as you wrote. A real black mark on feminism and on those who support the silence of denial.

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-an ... ur-tongues

On a visit to my family late last summer, a close relative raised the subject of Muslims, as she does with some frequency. Over the last decade, in the shadow of various terrorist attacks, this relative has come to view Islam as an inherently violent religion, unsalvageable for its evils. I have told her she can’t lump all Muslims together; there are many interpretations of Islam. That morning, talking as we sat on her patio, she justified her position by citing honor violence. “They stone women who’ve been raped,” she said. “The men throw acid in the faces of women they think are immodestly dressed.” She’s seen pictures and videos, and now, she said, it’s starting to happen in the United States. “Women are being killed by their own fathers and brothers.”
My defenses shot up. I told myself she was exaggerating, bending the facts to further an anti-Muslim agenda. I told her the more we characterize Muslims as villains, the easier it is for U.S. law enforcement to profile and target innocent people as terrorists, and the more vulnerable they’ll be to hate crimes. And besides, Westerners have no right to tell Muslims how to live. I downplayed her argument, and managed to steer the conversation in another direction.
Later that day, when the adrenaline of the exchange had worn off, I was struck by my reaction—rather than condemn the examples of misogyny she raised, I minimized them. This realization left me with a persistent unease and has led to this question: Why aren’t more non-Muslim feminists speaking up about violence against women in Muslim-majority countries?

[FlashDangerpants]

You seem to have forgotten what you are arguing.

Let me remind you what your actual point was.

I couldn't understand why so many women look the other way on Muslim attempts to introduce Sharia law into America.

[Nick_A]

FDP wrote: You seem to have forgotten what you are arguing.

Let me remind you what your actual point was.
Nick_A wrote:
I couldn't understand why so many women look the other way on Muslim attempts to introduce Sharia law into America.

Yes, as Heather points out: it’s starting to happen in the United States. “Women are being killed by their own fathers and brothers.”

FDP you have revealed yourself as a blind denier to such a degree that you even support feminist silence in the face of the abuse of women by Sharia. You should be ashamed but you will even deny yourself the opportunity of a little self questioning.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Tell women who are abused by Sharia that it has no force. I imagine you could be cold and callous enough to do something like that. Tell them to theirface it doesn't offer cover or assistance to the abuser as other believers in Sharia offer support and say she had it coming. You would do it if you felt it furthered your agenda

There are no women in America abused by Sharia. There are many women in America abused by nasty men.
Those nasty men are not nastier than other men if the worship Allah. They are not given extra legal protections if they worship Allah.

Stop trying to twist words. You just aren't persuasive.

He's also selectively blind. An annoying, trolling little twit.

[FlashDangerpants]

FDP wrote: You seem to have forgotten what you are arguing.

Let me remind you what your actual point was.
Nick_A wrote:
I couldn't understand why so many women look the other way on Muslim attempts to introduce Sharia law into America.

Yes, as Heather points out: it’s starting to happen in the United States. “Women are being killed by their own fathers and brothers.”

FDP you have revealed yourself as a blind denier to such a degree that you even support feminist silence in the face of the abuse of women by Sharia. You should be ashamed but you will even deny yourself the opportunity of a little self questioning.

Women have always been getting killed by their own fathers and brothers in the USA. You have a much higher murder rate than other rich countries.
So what has Sharia got to do with this in America? Sharia is a legal code, one that is incompatible with US law. These abuses by muslims are given no lenient treatment by anybody in the USA, they go to prison the same as Christians who so often murder their families over there. Why are you demanding special treatment for muslims? Is every murder of one's wife daughter or sister not equally tragic to you?

Why do you keep evading uncomfortable facts Nick? They aren't going away, facts tend not to do that.

[Nick_A]

Amazing! Now FDP wants to argue with a feminist who has recognized the foolishness of denial. What is it about agenda driven people like FDP who will sacrifice what little remains of their common sense for the sake of their agenda? I think it is related to the prison of the cult mind. Now there is a good topic.

[FlashDangerpants]

As before:

These abuses by muslims are given no lenient treatment by anybody in the USA, they go to prison the same as Christians who so often murder their families over there. Why are you demanding special treatment for muslims? Is every murder of one's wife daughter or sister not equally tragic to you?