Who Really is an Atheist?

[sthitapragya]

Attempt to keep your original quote intact so that we can all garner the context this time, if you have the intelligence to work out a simple forum quote system. If you cant be bothered then neither can i.

Also, believing in God serves no purpose.

Actually it does, it makes you second think your actions.

If you belive that God created this earth, well, big deal. With all that power and intelligence, he did a very poor job and I am not impressed.

This planet is perfection. Are you really some kind of spoiled brat?

However, if God did not create this earth, then the possibilities are endless.

How so?

WIth God, the bottom line will always be magic and science does not work well with magic.

What the hell does magic have to do with God? Since i KNOW God exists, i KNOW there is a scientific explanation for its existence.

Also magic is for children, not grown ups. And I really don't understand why grown ups want to believe in magic. It is just absurd.

Again, suggesting magic=God.. you are talking bollocks.

And don't say it's not magic. If God created everything from nothing, then it was magic. Nothing more and nothing less.

Who is saying God created something from nothing?

So when grown ups need to believe in magic, it can only be because they need the psychological crutch that in case something goes wrong, God will break the laws of science for them, work his magic (read miracle) and everything will be all right because they are special and God keeps an eye out for them.

More bollocks.

You haven't got any in a looooooonnnng time, have you? And don't be bothered because I sure am not going to retype everything just because you haven't got drilled in ages. Anyway, talking about God with a dog was just plain weird anyway.

[Nick_A]

This thread indicates that on this site a least, there are far more blind deniers than atheists who serve the cause of purification. it is probably that way in the world as well. But at least we can be thankful for the few who have not lost their ability for impartial reason in favor of the emotional sastisfactions obtained through blind denial and condemnation. At least it is something.

[sthitapragya]

This thread indicates that on this site a least, there are far more blind deniers than atheists who serve the cause of purification. it is probably that way in the world as well. But at least we can be thankful for the few who have not lost their ability for impartial reason in favor of the emotional sastisfactions obtained through blind denial and condemnation. At least it is something.

Did your mom drop you on your head repeatedly as a child? Just asking. And by repeatedly, I mean like everyday twice or thrice a day, till you were, well, yesterday?

[Nick_A]

sthit wrote:

Did your mom drop you on your head repeatedly as a child? Just asking. And by repeatedly, I mean like everyday twice or thrice a day, till you were, well, yesterday?

This is what is celebrated as a text book example of the logic of blind deniers.

[sthitapragya]

sthit wrote:

Did your mom drop you on your head repeatedly as a child? Just asking. And by repeatedly, I mean like everyday twice or thrice a day, till you were, well, yesterday?

This is what is celebrated as a text book example of the logic of blind deniers.

Logic? You wouldn't know logic if it fell on your mom and made her drop you on your head repeatedly everyday, twice or thrice a day till, well, yesterday.

And FYI even Google uncle has not heard of a blind denier. Try it. It is a figment of your imagination due to all the head dropping. You really need to go to a doctor. Take leotolstoyoyoyoy and Walker with you. One thinks he is God the other thinks he is a chihuahua. You will have company.

[Lacewing]

This thread indicates that on this site a least, there are far more blind deniers than atheists who serve the cause of purification.

Are you aware of how much you are making up? In life... in general... in how you define how things are. Or are you convinced that everything is absolutely solid and defined and knowable, and you somehow are aware of it more truly than other people? Do you know how many people think this about life and themselves, in countless ways that are contrary to your own experience and ideas? And theirs is as "real" and functional to them, as yours is to you. How can that be? Perhaps because IT'S ALL made-up?

So again, I wonder, are you aware of how much you are making up and cramming everything into, to fit your model?

What would happen if we stopped worshiping the models, and noticed how much is beyond them?

[Hobbes' Choice]

This thread indicates that on this site a least, there are far more blind deniers than atheists who serve the cause of purification. it is probably that way in the world as well. But at least we can be thankful for the few who have not lost their ability for impartial reason in favor of the emotional sastisfactions obtained through blind denial and condemnation. At least it is something.

There is none who contribute to the Forum who more qualifies for this critique than yourself.
You are the prime blind denier, and none for whom satisfaction is assured by the blinkered one-sided and ossified approach that you bring to the Forum.

[Hobbes' Choice]

This thread indicates that on this site a least, there are far more blind deniers than atheists who serve the cause of purification. it is probably that way in the world as well. But at least we can be thankful for the few who have not lost their ability for impartial reason in favor of the emotional sastisfactions obtained through blind denial and condemnation. At least it is something.

Did your mom drop you on your head repeatedly as a child? Just asking. And by repeatedly, I mean like everyday twice or thrice a day, till you were, well, yesterday?

No, she used to hit him in the face with a Hardback copy of "Waiting for God", by Simone Weil, and the text has been imprinted on what passes for his consciousness.

[Nick_A]

Lacewing wrote: Are you aware of how much you are making up? In life... in general... in how you define how things are. Or are you convinced that everything is absolutely solid and defined and knowable, and you somehow are aware of it more truly than other people? Do you know how many people think this about life and themselves, in countless ways that are contrary to your own experience and ideas? And theirs is as "real" and functional to them, as yours is to you. How can that be? Perhaps because IT'S ALL made-up?

you are actually describing Plato’s appreciation of the relationship between knowledge and opinion. Yes, we are surrounded by opinion and people argue about opinions all the time. But how many are willing to admit that they are glorifying opinions in their quest for meaning? What does a person do when they realize they are defending and opposing partial truths and want to learn how to experience “knowledge” free ofimagination and opinion? Do you realize that the relationship between knowledge and opinion couldn’t be discussed on this site. Blind deniers would kill it. My advantage over blind deniers is that I admit the human condition as it exists in me. Blind deniers are only concerned with denying.

Nothing is solid. The universe is in constant change. I am just fortunate to have learned of a skeleton of the universe which includes its meaning and purpose in the context of a lawful mathematical vibratory relationship within which meaning and purpose takes place. I am invited to verify it through personal experience. Nothing to believe or deny. Just verify.

So again, I wonder, are you aware of how much you are making up and cramming everything into, to fit your model?

What would happen if we stopped worshiping the models, and noticed how much is beyond them?

Making things up only defeats the purpose of someone seeking to understand the purpose of our universe and Man within it. I quoted Einstein and agree with him that there is a universal intelligence that is far beyond the intelligence of Man. The only way to approach the question is to begin conscious attempts to “know thyself.” Without this foundation all that results are opinions. This is good for Oprah and flying around Saturn in ones dreams. But for all those needing to experience human meaning and purpose, the first step is the initial attempt to “know thyself:” to have the experience of oneself. It is the last thing a blind denier would do.

I agree with the foolishness of worshiping idols. I even quoted Simone on it. However blind deniers who are atheists often indulge in a more dangerous form of idolatry. They worship the Great Beast or society itself. Simone Weil wrote in Gravity and Grace:

The Great Beast [society, the collective] is the only object of idolatry, the only ersatz of God, the only imitation of something which is infinitely far from me and which is I myself.

It is impossible for me to take myself as an end or, in consequence, my fellow man as an end, since he is my fellow. Nor can I take a material thing, because matter is still less capable of having finality conferred upon it than human beings are.

Only one thing can be taken as an end, for in relation to the human person it possesses a kind of transcendence: this is the collective.

This is the rational behind Communism and those who understand this form of worship know it is a worship of human imperfection which is why it is doomed.

Believe me I enjoy discussing ideas with atheists who are not blind deniers. Unfortunately there are not that many of them and I have not found one on this site yet. But there is always tomorrow.

[Lacewing]

Believe me I enjoy discussing ideas with atheists who are not blind deniers. Unfortunately there are not that many of them and I have not found one on this site yet.

What (that you are not making up) has made you conclude that I am a blind denier?

[Nick_A]

Lacewing wrote:

What (that you are not making up) has made you conclude that I am a blind denier?

Your attitude of condemnation. Where intellectual doubt is beneficial, the negativity of emotional skepticism which is essential for blind denial prevents impartial experience. Preconception blocks it. This is fine for those wanting to live in blind denial. I just wish they wouldn't try and impose their emotional skepticism on the young so they lose their human need for meaning.

[sthitapragya]

Making things up only defeats the purpose of someone seeking to understand the purpose of our universe and Man within it.

Then stop making up words like blind deniers.

https://www.google.co.in/search?q=what+ ... e&ie=UTF-8

See? even Google uncle knows nothing about it.

[Lacewing]

Lacewing wrote:

What (that you are not making up) has made you conclude that I am a blind denier?

Your attitude of condemnation.

Please keep an open mind, Nick, while you read my response.

I'm consciously playing this GAME of life. It's not blind nor denial. I'm very open to impartial experience. Part of the playing is in throwing yourself into it and thrashing around... which we do on this site. I can usually stop at any moment. Even when I see someone who has been unpleasant in the past, my first feeling upon seeing them is love for their spirit. And that's ALL that children get from me -- I do not impose anything on them (I respect their spirits). I am in the moment and I am saying yes. You and I appear to think of this life differently. Ultimately, I don't believe there's any separation or anything that's "wrong". To me, what we're playing out on this stage is a magnificent drama. Nobody is getting ultimately hurt. Nobody is less or more than anyone else. It's all one. Even though I don't view it with the same level of seriousness that you do, I respect it. I am not a blind denier... and yes, it is something you have made up. It is based on your beliefs, and rules, and perspective... and you are essentially, well, condemning people with it, right? Does your attitude of condemnation make you a blind denier?

[Hobbes' Choice]

Lacewing wrote:

What (that you are not making up) has made you conclude that I am a blind denier?

Your attitude of condemnation. Where intellectual doubt is beneficial, the negativity of emotional skepticism which is essential for blind denial prevents impartial experience. Preconception blocks it. This is fine for those wanting to live in blind denial. I just wish they wouldn't try and impose their emotional skepticism on the young so they lose their human need for meaning.

Anyone who does not fully accept his idiosyncratic view of the world is a blind denier.
In this he is much like Bob, he is alone in the world with his thoughts, and the rest are 'in denial'.

[Nick_A]

Sthit wrote: Then stop making up words like blind deniers.

How else to express the idea. Of course I made up the term but why I had to do it shows how little is understood. It should be common knowledge. Virtually everyone is aware of the term blind faith or blind belief. A dictionary definition of blind faith is “belief without true understanding, perception, or discrimination.” Blind denial is the same. It is a “belief without true understanding, perception, or discrimination.” They are both emotional beliefs.