Why atheists compare God to santa
Re: Why atheists compare God to santa
Making the Santa comparison is offensive. It's telling the fish who is aware of it's water environment that your disbelief is, to you, like its disbelief in Santa. It's not. It's not about belief or disbelief at all; just like a dwelling is not at all the same thing as a home (except when viewed from the outside).
I think it is safe to assume you're "trolling."
I think it is safe to assume you're "trolling."
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Re: Why atheists compare God to santa
That post is too confused for anyone to really get any meaning out of it.Reflex wrote:Making the Santa comparison is offensive. It's telling the fish who is aware of it's water environment that your disbelief is, to you, like its disbelief in Santa. It's not. It's not about belief or disbelief at all; just like a dwelling is not at all the same thing as a home (except when viewed from the outside).
I think it is safe to assume you're "trolling."
Perhaps if you can mix slightly fewer metaphors it might make more sense.
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Re: Why atheists compare God to santa
I don't think you're understanding what he is saying reflex, he's not comparing 'God' and Santa, he's pointing-out that if the theist wishes to understand how the atheist thinks about 'God' then it's roughly how the theist thinks about Santa, i.e. no belief at all in his existence. Nothing more. Unless of course you are saying you believe in Santa as well?Reflex wrote:No, it's not. You see see the dwelling place, but not the home. A home is more than just a place. If you cannot see the difference, then you are like a fish that does not see the water in which it swims. ...
Maybe it's the title that got you hot and bothered, so maybe it should have been 'Why atheists compare their disbelief in 'God' to the theists disbelief in Santa' or even, 'How ....'
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Re: Why atheists compare God to santa
Empiricism provides knowledge; belief is for whimpsReflex wrote:
Why the emotional attachment to a mere "disbelief"?
Re: Why atheists compare God to santa
The original post talks a lot about the beliefs (maps, dwellings vehicles) of believers, but the author clearly has no insight or perception regarding that to which they refer. So, rather than behave like a rational human being and just carry on with their own private experience/vision of the world, the author chooses to muddy the 'water' in which believers swim. It's 'trolling,' pure and simple.
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Why the emotional attachment to a winding series of unhelpful metaphors involving water, maps, houses and muddy trolls?Reflex wrote:The original post talks a lot about the beliefs (maps, dwellings vehicles) of believers, but the author clearly has no insight or perception regarding that to which they refer. So, rather than behave like a rational human being and just carry on with their own private experience/vision of the world, the author chooses to muddy the 'water' in which believers swim. It's 'trolling,' pure and simple.
Re: Why atheists compare God to santa
I'm not 'hot and bothered' at all. I'm just asking why atheists think employing a category error is a legitimate debating tool.Arising_uk wrote:I don't think you're understanding what he is saying reflex, he's not comparing 'God' and Santa, he's pointing-out that if the theist wishes to understand how the atheist thinks about 'God' then it's roughly how the theist thinks about Santa, i.e. no belief at all in his existence. Nothing more. Unless of course you are saying you believe in Santa as well?Reflex wrote:No, it's not. You see see the dwelling place, but not the home. A home is more than just a place. If you cannot see the difference, then you are like a fish that does not see the water in which it swims. ...
Maybe it's the title that got you hot and bothered, so maybe it should have been 'Why atheists compare their disbelief in 'God' to the theists disbelief in Santa' or even, 'How ....'
Re: Why atheists compare God to santa
Why do atheists think employing a category error is a legitimate debating tool?FlashDangerpants wrote:Why the emotional attachment to a winding series of unhelpful metaphors involving water, maps, houses and muddy trolls?Reflex wrote:The original post talks a lot about the beliefs (maps, dwellings vehicles) of believers, but the author clearly has no insight or perception regarding that to which they refer. So, rather than behave like a rational human being and just carry on with their own private experience/vision of the world, the author chooses to muddy the 'water' in which believers swim. It's 'trolling,' pure and simple.
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Re: Why atheists compare God to santa
Interesting move. Which category is being misused?
Re: Why atheists compare God to santa
By 'empiricism,' do you mean logical positivism? That died decades ago (even if some people didn't got the message). 'Hume's fork' doesn’t rise to its own standard.Hobbes' Choice wrote:Empiricism provides knowledge; belief is for whimpsReflex wrote:
Why the emotional attachment to a mere "disbelief"?
Re: Why atheists compare God to santa
Santa/GodFlashDangerpants wrote:Interesting move. Which category is being misused?
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Re: Why atheists compare God to santa
I think you need to put more exposition in there than that.Reflex wrote:Santa/GodFlashDangerpants wrote:Interesting move. Which category is being misused?
Show us your argument.
Re: Why atheists compare God to santa
No argument is necessary because they are 2 completely different categories of existence.FlashDangerpants wrote:I think you need to put more exposition in there than that.Reflex wrote:Santa/GodFlashDangerpants wrote:Interesting move. Which category is being misused?
Show us your argument.
So, why do atheists think employing a category error is a legitimate debating tool?
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Re: Why atheists compare God to santa
Do you know how the category error argument works?Reflex wrote: No argument is necessary because they are 2 completely different categories of existence.
So, why do atheists think employing a category error is a legitimate debating tool?
Please explain how it applies in this situation.
If you are making it up as you go along, now is the time to admit this.
Re: Why atheists compare God to santa
It's Theology 101. If you are not up to it, why don't you just admit it?
Why do atheists think employing a category error is a legitimate debating tool?
Why do atheists think employing a category error is a legitimate debating tool?