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Arising_uk wrote:
Greta wrote:... Do various tribes lean more towards Catholicism ...
With respect to Christianity its Evangelism as it promises them wealth and power.
All religions offer what people most need. That's the pitch.

I was just wondering if any rival African tribes simply use religion to continue their hostilities under new banners - Islam and Christianity. Conversely, have any rival tribes made peace through them adopting a common Abrahamic religion?
The observations of J.M. Roberts the famed British historian in his book "History Of The World" is that Christianity spread peace throughout Medival Europe. The most notable examples were the Norse.

Anti-theists love to point at the Swedish wars of religion during the Protestant Reformation/Revolution to the contrary. But that is a rather infantile and irrational observation and response.

You either respect Religion or you hate it. It is what it is. You might as well admit your biases and just move on without making yourself look more stupid by trying to justify them.
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I'll try again and see if an even vaguely sane or relevant answer to this question is possible. You may be surprised to find that people do actually notice when the answer to a simple question asked is an irrelevant rant.

I don't know if Christianity brought peace to Europe and don't need to check your claims. If it did, then that was a very good thing. The question is whether religion, with its obviously false claims (at least to anyone who doesn't believe in flying horses or virgin mothers), is a relative force for good today. That religion does some good is not under question, but whether its negatives outweigh the positives.

Today in both the west and middle east religion is at the very least the banner under which conflicted parties fight, manipulating true believers into making sacrifices "for God". As a result, theism is either pivotal or heavily involved with most wars today. GW Bush famously was told by God to Invade Iraq. The Taliban and Al Qaeda/ISYS claim that God demands that they go to war. Retrograde stuff that you'd think wouldn't feature in modern societies, which just goes to show that modernity takes some time to filter through populations, especially with inequality. Perhaps if the rich were less greedy there would be fewer malcontents seeking the solace of faith?

The Islam situation appears similar in nature to the cultural insanity that at various times in history afflicted China, Germany, Japan, Russia and North Korea, to name a few. Like individuals, every now and then entire cultures "go postal".
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Greta wrote:I'll try again and see if an even vaguely sane or relevant answer to this question is possible. You may be surprised to find that people do actually notice when the answer to a simple question asked is an irrelevant rant.

I don't know if Christianity brought peace to Europe and don't need to check your claims. If it did, then that was a very good thing. The question is whether religion, with its obviously false claims (at least to anyone who doesn't believe in flying horses or virgin mothers), is a relative force for good today. That religion does some good is not under question, but whether its negatives outweigh the positives.

Today in both the west and middle east religion is at the very least the banner under which conflicted parties fight, manipulating true believers into making sacrifices "for God". As a result, theism is either pivotal or heavily involved with most wars today. GW Bush famously was told by God to Invade Iraq. The Taliban and Al Qaeda/ISYS claim that God demands that they go to war. Retrograde stuff that you'd think wouldn't feature in modern societies, which just goes to show that modernity takes some time to filter through populations, especially with inequality. Perhaps if the rich were less greedy there would be fewer malcontents seeking the solace of faith?

The Islam situation appears similar in nature to the cultural insanity that at various times in history afflicted China, Germany, Japan, Russia and North Korea, to name a few. Like individuals, every now and then entire cultures "go postal".
Islam is a corrupt attempt at a religion. I would not suggest you judge or grade all religions based on Islam.

It would probably be better for you Greta if you just forgot about Islam.

I am actually quite happy that the Sunni's and the Shia's are blowing each other up. Better that they hate each other than the rest of us.

Of course when an occasional Jewish American gets beheaded in the Middle East somewhere it does upset a lot of people. But what was this fool doing in a war zone anyway?

To the extent that the Sunni's and the Shia's are killing each other off, let them do it. I agree with Netanyahu on that point. He said that if you have 2 enemies fighting each other then neither one of them is your friend -- let them both fight it out.

As far as the rest of the dozen major religions of the world go, I know a lot of people who derive great strength and courage from their own faith.

And it is not given to any many or woman to know of a certainty which god is real and which others are false. Not to you. Not to me. Not to anybody.
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yiostheoy wrote:Islam is a corrupt attempt at a religion. ...
:lol: What that Judaeo-Christian sect a corrupt attempt? 'Heaven' forbid something like that!
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yiostheoy wrote:Arising_uk, who is currently on your ignore list, made this post.
:lol: What a knob! All about me!, me!!, me!!!

And who's this 'your' he talks about?

Is he yet another knob who has to tell people that he has put them on ignore? I'm crushed! :lol:
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yiostheoy wrote:Arising_uk, who is currently on your ignore list, made this post.
Knob! Knob!! Knob!!! :lol:

Tell me again!
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yiostheoy wrote:
And it is not given to any many or woman to know of a certainty which god is real and which others are false. Not to you. Not to me. Not to anybody.
Wow. That's a huge gamble, isn't it? If you admit that you can not be certain if your God is the real one, your chances of being right are one in a thousand or so. Also it is possible that no one has come up with the real God yet so everyone could be wrong too and the real God might just be something invented in the future. So everything you do could be for nought and you are more likely to end up in hell. I think chose the better option. At least this way I get to live my life and then go to hell. You won't even live your own life and we will still most likely meet me in hell. Hehehe. That is just hilarious.
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yiostheoy wrote:As far as the rest of the dozen major religions of the world go, I know a lot of people who derive great strength and courage from their own faith.
That is good for them. It doesn't mean that others need believe their claims.
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yiostheoy wrote: I am actually quite happy that the Sunni's and the Shia's are blowing each other up.
I was quite sure this guy was a Christian. But that sounds unlike the sort of thing Jebus would endorse.
If only I could ask him, but alas I will soon get a message saying that God has me on ignore.
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FlashDangerpants wrote:
yiostheoy wrote: I am actually quite happy that the Sunni's and the Shia's are blowing each other up.
I was quite sure this guy was a Christian. But that sounds unlike the sort of thing Jebus would endorse.
If only I could ask him, but alas I will soon get a message saying that God has me on ignore.
Since when have Christians asked 'what would Jesus think, or do?"

Hitler, Trump, Bush, Blair, all British monarchs and other architects of the British Empire - all Christians.
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FlashDangerpants wrote:
yiostheoy wrote: I am actually quite happy that the Sunni's and the Shia's are blowing each other up.
I was quite sure this guy was a Christian. But that sounds unlike the sort of thing Jebus would endorse.
If only I could ask him, but alas I will soon get a message saying that God has me on ignore.
He likes to use the N word in the comfort of his home. So he is probably a redneck as their interpretation of Christianity is quite similar.
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