Who Really is an Atheist?

[Arising_uk]

Ignorance is only one path to happiness.

As is delusion.

The separation is only in the mind and carefully hides from itself. Reality is a giant Milky Way bar that fills all that is. Only mind separates the nougat from the chocolate and caramel … and from the wrapper.

Sweets are bad for you.

Atheists are destroyers, attacking the projections they imaginatively embody in others, clinging to delusion like a dreamer clinging to an overstuffed life raft while all the while bobbing on the surface of the sea, unable to dive deep due to limitations caused by ignorance, sooner or later pulled by tides to the rocky shoals where everything changes.

How very Christian of you.
You appear to be inordinately concerned with atheists, is it because of all the angry ex-theists in your country? As you are projecting what you think you'd be like if you lost your belief in a 'God'. It appears to be you doing all the attacking and destroying here and all because you don't like others saying they don't believe what you believe. Again, how very Christian of you.

Clinging tightly to the raft, the atheist says Uhhhh, who created the tides?

That'll be the man in the moon.

[Arising_uk]

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From a discussion between Jacob Needleman and Richard Whittaker: ..

All this says is Philosophy should be introduced to schools and I agree. However it's likely to opposed by the religious as questioning is not approved of.

My guess is that you want religion and theology back in schools as an answer for things. Well fear not as it looks like that's going to happen in the UK at least. Although it won't just be the Christian religion.

[sthitapragya]

For example without something to react to, atheists have nothing.

That is just plain wrong. There is always good Scotch and jazz.

Team player, observe throughout the similar repetitions of atheists during the existence of this thread, an existence both in growth and dormancy, that the truth of the insight plays out in example.

I have always wondered what a chihuahua with brain disease would write if it could. Thanks for clearing that up.

[Nick_A]

Arising wrote: All this says is Philosophy shold be introduced to schools and I agree. However it's likely to opposed by the religious as questioning is not approved of.

My guess is that you want religion and theology back in schools as an answer for things. Well fear not as it looks like that's going to happen in the UK at least. Although it won't just be the Christian religion.

“There are three classes of men; lovers of wisdom, lovers of honor, and lovers of gain.” ~ Plato

What of the young who need more than gain from their education and really are uninterested in honor? They need more than facts from their education and honor from society. They need the skills necessary to gradually acquire wisdom to satisfy the need for meaning. This doesn’t include ridicule of the greater need for meaning so many atheists in education are skilled at to the point of spirit killing. Secular education is about social conditioning and job training. Human education includes educating the mind, body, and spirit, for the sake of becoming human rather than a conditioned cog in the body of the Great Beast or society itself.

[Arising_uk]

What of the young who need more than gain from their education and really are uninterested in honor? ...

Which bit of me agreeing that we should teach Philosophy didnt you get?

They need more than facts from their education and honor from society. ...

I agree, music, sports, languages and art should be included.

They need the skills necessary to gradually acquire wisdom to satisfy the need for meaning. ...

Philosophy it is then.

This doesn’t include ridicule of the greater need for meaning so many atheists in education are skilled at to the point of spirit killing. ...

Must be your country as they'd be fired over here. Over here the infants learn and celebrate all the main religions. In secondary school they have to take comparative religious studies.

Secular education is about social conditioning and job training. ...

Not over here it wasn't, you learnt the Humanities. It's Capitalism that has made it about work as it can't see why the taxpayer should pay for the airy-fairy stuff.
By the by, the Christian religious stuff you'd obviously like to bring back is exactly social conditioning.

Human education includes educating the mind, body, and spirit, for the sake of becoming human rather than a conditioned cog in the body of the Great Beast or society itself.

We agree, apart from the bit where I presume by spirit you mean exclusively teaching theism.

[Walker]

I have always wondered what a chihuahua with brain disease would write if it could. Thanks for clearing that up.

I've also noticed that about atheists, but I have a feeling you're talking first hand. Atheists could be described in that way. Nothing of substance, in fact, nothing at all. Just reactionary, like a small yapping dog nipping at the heels of reality, always a few steps behind, mumbling irrelevancies.

Sad in a way.

Well, at least they'll get to feel one taparoo.

[Walker]

Ignorance is only one path to happiness.

As is delusion.

The separation is only in the mind and carefully hides from itself. Reality is a giant Milky Way bar that fills all that is. Only mind separates the nougat from the chocolate and caramel … and from the wrapper.

Sweets are bad for you.

Atheists are destroyers, attacking the projections they imaginatively embody in others, clinging to delusion like a dreamer clinging to an overstuffed life raft while all the while bobbing on the surface of the sea, unable to dive deep due to limitations caused by ignorance, sooner or later pulled by tides to the rocky shoals where everything changes.

How very Christian of you.
You appear to be inordinately concerned with atheists, is it because of all the angry ex-theists in your country? As you are projecting what you think you'd be like if you lost your belief in a 'God'. It appears to be you doing all the attacking and destroying here and all because you don't like others saying they don't believe what you believe. Again, how very Christian of you.

Clinging tightly to the raft, the atheist says Uhhhh, who created the tides?

That'll be the man in the moon.

Hey word-gamer.

The thread is about atheists.

The fine examples of reactionary philosophy that is atheism are on display, a few summaries are merely highlights of what is.

It's true. You really don't know much.

One characteristic of atheists that shines out ... rather snarky. Which makes logical sense considering the inhibited awareness and shallowness of understanding, manifested in reactionary thought.

And you know what? You have a nice day.

[Lacewing]

Atheists could be described... Nothing of substance, in fact, nothing at all. Just reactionary, like a small yapping dog nipping at the heels of reality, always a few steps behind, mumbling irrelevancies.

Wow... you're really clinging to that crazy train, aren't you? Going for broke? That's usually how it happens -- people keep doubling-down until there's nothing left to cling to. I'm not sure what you stand for in regard to theism, but whatever it is, you don't represent it very well.

[Walker]

Atheists could be described... Nothing of substance, in fact, nothing at all. Just reactionary, like a small yapping dog nipping at the heels of reality, always a few steps behind, mumbling irrelevancies.

Wow... you're really clinging to that crazy train, aren't you? Going for broke? That's usually how it happens -- people keep doubling-down until there's nothing left to cling to. I'm not sure what you stand for in regard to theism, but whatever it is, you don't represent it very well.

Hey ... you sound like an atheist ... as defined so far, and in ongoing definition as the thread grows with examples of atheistic behavior, some of them highlighted, such as shitpragyas reference to a small dog, from which the quote you truncated, originated.

Thank you, for your contributions to the on-going clarification of ... What Really Is An Atheist?

[Lacewing]

Thank you, for your contributions to the on-going clarification of ... What Really Is An Atheist?

You're welcome.

And thank YOU for demonstrating, for comparison, the kind of characteristics and thinking that (I'm sure) atheists are proud to rise above.

[Walker]

Thank you, for your contributions to the on-going clarification of ... What Really Is An Atheist?

You're welcome.

And thank YOU for demonstrating, for comparison, the kind of characteristics and thinking that (I'm sure) atheists are proud to rise above.

The well just keeps right on giving.




Your atheistic reactionary tendencies are strong. Once again, this thread is about atheists, which means you must look within. I am simply witnessing what manifests from atheists, as an act of compassion for their edification.

That is a great idea you have for atheist self-improvement. You just may be a leader of atheists.

Work on that list of yours and then make sure you’re trying to “rise above, rise above.”

You have just added the desire to “rise above” to the list of characteristics defining who is really an atheist.

Nick_A is likely compiling a list of his own based on this study, or discussion, and since his list would be about the thread topic, it would actually be relevant.

The atheist needs something to rise above. This is the dualistic mind at the core of atheism. The reactionary mind that ceases to exist when there is nothing more to rise above, is the equanimous mind.

Now really, what have you contributed besides bitching? Hmmmm?

Lordy, where did the time go. Gotta run!

[Nick_A]

Arising wrote: Which bit of me agreeing that we should teach Philosophy didnt you get?

Philosophy normally taught in schools doesn’t serve the cause of wisdom but only serves the cause of egoistic argument. The young feeling the call of wisdom are not caught up in pursuit of honor through argument. This is hard to explain. Jacob Needleman wrote a book on it called the Heart of Philosophy. Philosophy as it is normally taught is purely factual and doesn’t touch the heart of philosophy so can only further the spirit killers. Read the first pages. It very rarely exists in schools.

http://www.amazon.com/Heart-Philosophy- ... 1585422517

Philosophy as it is frequently taught in classrooms bears little relation to the impassioned and immensely practical search for self-knowledge conducted by not only its ancient avatars but also by men and woman who seek after truth today. In The Heart of the Philosophy, Jacob Needleman provides a "user's guide" for those who would take philosophy seriously enough to understand its life-transforming qualities.

[Lacewing]

Everything you are accusing atheists of, Walker, appears to describe yourself and some of the well-known theist behaviors. It's astounding that you could be so oblivious and in such denial. You're just spewing and projecting like a madman. It's not funny or clever or accurate... it's just really stupid.

It's absurd to try to define characteristics of an atheist. That would be like trying to define characteristics of all people who don't have a belief in Santa. They're not a "group" that shares a common belief in something of some sort. So assigning characteristics to anyone who doesn't share a common belief with others is asinine. You don't know such a broad spectrum of people... and you're a fool to pretend that you do.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Everything you are accusing atheists of, Walker, appears to describe yourself and some of the well-known theist behaviors. It's astounding that you could be so oblivious and in such denial. You're just spewing and projecting like a madman. It's not funny or clever or accurate... it's just really stupid.

It's absurd to try to define characteristics of an atheist. That would be like trying to define characteristics of all people who don't have a belief in Santa. They're not a "group" that shares a common belief in something of some sort. So assigning characteristics to anyone who doesn't share a common belief with others is asinine. You don't know such a broad spectrum of people... and you're a fool to pretend that you do.

This is exactly what I thought and could not be bothered to waste my time trying to explain to him. Thanks.

[sthitapragya]

The thread is about atheists.

And thar is your mistake. This thread is about a theist who cannot understand how there are people who can do without the psychological crutches he so desperately needs and is therefore assigning attributes to them which would make him feel better. We are just trying to correct him.

Most of you tend to forget that most atheists were theists before. So we know exactly what belief in God is. You, however, have no idea what we feel or think because you have never been there.

All this Bull crap about God being beyond time and space is something I believed as fervently as Nick does. I just grew out of it.

Grown men also need Santa. They just don't admit it.