The Absolute Impossibility of Nothingness - ever

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Dalek Prime wrote:
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Dalek Prime wrote: In your opinion, which mustn't be confused with a corollary.
I'm beginning to think that this whole concern of yours, not to procreate, is because you're dick-less; your way of coping!
Bet that hurts.[/quote]
Of course your ignorance is showing, good thing you're not procreating! ;-)
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Hurts so much, you can't use the quoting system properly. Got anything of interest to add, doctor?
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Dalek Prime wrote:Hurts so much, you can't use the quoting system properly. Got anything of interest to add, doctor?
Oh wow, now you've reminded me of elementary school, how could you say things so cruel? :lol: 8)
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"Something" is all we've ever known so nothing is necessarily either just a theoretical or relative construct.
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SpheresOfBalance wrote:
Dalek Prime wrote:Hurts so much, you can't use the quoting system properly. Got anything of interest to add, doctor?
Oh wow, now you've reminded me of elementary school, how could you say things so cruel? :lol: 8)
Life is just a repetition of elementary school it would seem. People don't really progress much from there. Oh sure, they gain more knowledge, but otherwise, high school at best.
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Greta wrote:"Something" is all we've ever known so nothing is necessarily either just a theoretical or relative construct.
Not exactly true, as it also can't be said about what we'll ever know. In both the beginning and the end we've/we'll known/know nothing, or so it surely seems to be absolutely true.

Edit: Conjugation.
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Dalek Prime wrote:
SpheresOfBalance wrote:
Dalek Prime wrote:Hurts so much, you can't use the quoting system properly. Got anything of interest to add, doctor?
Oh wow, now you've reminded me of elementary school, how could you say things so cruel? :lol: 8)
Life is just a repetition of elementary school it would seem. People don't really progress much from there. Oh sure, they gain more knowledge, but otherwise, high school at best.
Well it's true that the maturity level here, often seems sub par.
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Greta wrote:"Something" is all we've ever known so nothing is necessarily either just a theoretical or relative construct.
You know nothing. No, I really do mean you have known nothing. When you wake up after a deep sleep, ponder how many hours have passed, easily, without any boredom. And then think how good that is. If only the day, or something, was just as good.
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Dalek Prime wrote:
Greta wrote:"Something" is all we've ever known so nothing is necessarily either just a theoretical or relative construct.
You know nothing. No, I really do mean you have known nothing. When you wake up after a deep sleep, ponder how many hours have passed, easily, without any boredom. And then think how good that is. If only the day, or something, was just as good.
It's not really nothing, only subjectively. Loss of self awareness. The self is still there while your awareness is gone.

The self hasn't gone away, it just stopped its executive functions (like politicians and CEOs leaving the staff to do their job - and generally better). All the neuronal grooves that we've worn into ours brains are the same as they were the day before. So when you wake up, it's still "you", and your cortical activity will follow their usual patterns like water from recent rains flowing through a formerly-dry creek bed. So the pattern of "you" is not "nothing", it just feels like it.
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Greta wrote:
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Greta wrote:"Something" is all we've ever known so nothing is necessarily either just a theoretical or relative construct.
You know nothing. No, I really do mean you have known nothing. When you wake up after a deep sleep, ponder how many hours have passed, easily, without any boredom. And then think how good that is. If only the day, or something, was just as good.
It's not really nothing, only subjectively. Loss of self awareness. The self is still there while your awareness is gone.

The self hasn't gone away, it just stopped its executive functions (like politicians and CEOs leaving the staff to do their job - and generally better). All the neuronal grooves that we've worn into ours brains are the same as they were the day before. So when you wake up, it's still "you", and your cortical activity will follow their usual patterns like water from recent rains flowing through a formerly-dry creek bed. So the pattern of "you" is not "nothing", it just feels like it.
I get your point, but as my father used to say, it's good enough for government work.
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Dalek Prime wrote:I get your point, but as my father used to say, it's good enough for government work.
What's good enough for government work? The brain? I missed something :)
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Dalek Prime wrote:I get your point, but as my father used to say, it's good enough for government work.
What's good enough for government work? The brain? I missed something :)
It was meant that, if you did it half-assed, it my not be good work, but it was good enough if you worked for the government. (My dad ran Air Traffic Services in Canada.)

Btw, I just wanted to mention that I like talking with you. Though we disagree at times, I find you a very reasonable and likeable person.
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Dalek Prime wrote:It was meant that, if you did it half-assed, it my not be good work, but it was good enough if you worked for the government. (My dad ran Air Traffic Services in Canada.)

Btw, I just wanted to mention that I like talking with you. Though we disagree at times, I find you a very reasonable and likeable person.
Ah, I see. Your point being that reality is sub-optimal, being so full of violence, pain, suffering and whatnot. Shoddy workdeityship.

Still, it's early days. I like to think that intelligent life can improve everyone's situation as we fall more deeply into cyberspace. In time humans can enjoy better circumstances in unlimited virtual reality than in an increasingly limited actual reality; that will keep more humans safely isolated from the rest of nature and use fewer resources.

Thanks for your kind comments. I enjoy talking with you too. I prefer relaxed chats to fights so philosophy forums have been an eye-opener - Terry Pratchett portrayals of philosophers were shocking accurate.
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Greta wrote:
Dalek Prime wrote:It was meant that, if you did it half-assed, it my not be good work, but it was good enough if you worked for the government. (My dad ran Air Traffic Services in Canada.)

Btw, I just wanted to mention that I like talking with you. Though we disagree at times, I find you a very reasonable and likeable person.
Ah, I see. Your point being that reality is sub-optimal, being so full of violence, pain, suffering and whatnot. Shoddy workdeityship.

Still, it's early days. I like to think that intelligent life can improve everyone's situation as we fall more deeply into cyberspace. In time humans can enjoy better circumstances in unlimited virtual reality than in an increasingly limited actual reality; that will keep more humans safely isolated from the rest of nature and use fewer resources.

Thanks for your kind comments. I enjoy talking with you too. I prefer relaxed chats to fights so philosophy forums have been an eye-opener - Terry Pratchett portrayals of philosophers were shocking accurate.
Glad I won't be around to see the day where bodies are stacked in tubes, playing out their lives. It's quite an obscene scenario.
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Dalek Prime wrote:Glad I won't be around to see the day where bodies are stacked in tubes, playing out their lives. It's quite an obscene scenario.
It's obscene to you because you are adapted to the environment of your childhood. Change by definition does not suit older generations.

People will do all of these "obscene" things in the future because they want to. You often point out the problematic nature of life so surely it's preferable to explore a much kinder and gentler immersive and connected VR environment than to struggle around an increasingly overcrowded, polluted and sterile real world?*

Yet, this is just an extension on what we're already doing. Why are we communicating remotely while staring at a screen at this moment rather than "getting out there and embracing real life"? Perhaps because the real life options are currently less attractive to us than chinwagging online. Many trends point to those real life options will continue to be less attractive as home communication and entertainment systems become ever more versatile, useful and powerful.


* The analogy with The Matrix's red pill/blue pill scenario is too strong for me to resist, but it only deserves the footnote :)
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