Who Really is an Atheist?

[Arising_uk]

... he first is incomprehensible for us but it contains the world of forms within the eternal unchanging. ...

If it's incomprehensible how do you comprehend this?

Conscious ideas exist here. ...

And this?

As you know, ideas require consciousness. ...

And so far they have to have a body as well.

So this quality of consciousness beyond the limits of time and space which contains the ideas of all things cannot be believed or denied logically but just have to accept it as a hypothesis worthy of impartial contemplation. ...

Not really as there is no contemplating you said.

The second level is what our senses can witness where everything is in constant change. It is the level of actualized ideas. This is the domain of science.

Not really, it's the domain of Reason.

The third level is actually nothing. ...

Then no need to worry about it then.

God is the first level. ...

What sort of 'God' are you talking about?

Obviously as creatures within time and space, the source outside the limits of time and space is beyond our comprehension. ...

And yet you appear to know a few things about it?

The real question IMO is what we are and our conscious potentials within this structure.

What we are are bodies with senses in an external world, that there are others gives us us, that we and the others have language gives us 'I'. Or some such.

[uwot]

Oh you know how it goes. One thing leads to another and the next thing you know here you are, observing that things are pretty much the same all over.

The sequence of words derives from observation but not the meaning of the words.

If all you have to offer is meaningless drivel, that you refuse to defend, what do you hope to gain by posting it on a forum such as this?

[Walker]

Read this page and tell me how to encourage the first breath in the young.

To think as child while knowing as a man is a father’s delight.

Cherish the child more than yourself and everything falls into place in most every situation: the right word, the right silence, the right time, the right explanation, the right action.

Parents are prone to cherishing their own which perpetuates the species, so cherishing the child more than oneself is not difficult unless natural tendencies are somehow influenced.

[uwot]

God IS... IS refers to the initial state of being; the eternal unchanging beyond the limitations of time and space. Blind denial keeps you from opening to these deeper ideas.

It is not blind denial that stops people from believing in worn out Platonic nonsense. On the contrary, it is necessarily blind belief that allows you believe in things you cannot see.

[Walker]

Oh you know how it goes. One thing leads to another and the next thing you know here you are, observing that things are pretty much the same all over.

The sequence of words derives from observation but not the meaning of the words.

If all you have to offer is meaningless drivel, that you refuse to defend, what do you hope to gain by posting it on a forum such as this?

Seems pretty straight-forward and factual to me.

I'll leave if you like. No problem, no resentment.

[Dalek Prime]

Oh you know how it goes. One thing leads to another and the next thing you know here you are, observing that things are pretty much the same all over.

The sequence of words derives from observation but not the meaning of the words.

If all you have to offer is meaningless drivel, that you refuse to defend, what do you hope to gain by posting it on a forum such as this?

Seems pretty straight-forward and factual to me.

I'll leave if you like. No problem, no resentment.

Okay. See ya. Nick, you gonna man up as well?

[Walker]

Okay. See ya. Nick, you gonna man up as well?

Captain’s Log: Atheist tribal similarities to the Borg interchageablity.

[uwot]

Seems pretty straight-forward and factual to me.

What have you offered that is a fact?

I'll leave if you like. No problem, no resentment.

It is none of my business whether you stay or leave, and I am completely indifferent to any problem or resentment you may feel.

[Walker]

Seems pretty straight-forward and factual to me.

What have you offered that is a fact?

I'll leave if you like. No problem, no resentment.

It is none of my business whether you stay or leave, and I am completely indifferent to any problem or resentment you may feel.

Excellent. Then feel free to shove your judgements about what I write.

Look at my contributions to your evolution as advanced Turing tests.

In the future if you don’t shape up and show some convincing level of human interpretation and understanding of postings, you’re on the scrap heap despite your indignation.

[Dalek Prime]

Okay. See ya. Nick, you gonna man up as well?

Captain’s Log: Atheist tribal similarities to the Borg interchageablity.

Never mind, Nick. Walker wasn't able to either.

[uwot]

In the future if you don’t shape up and show some convincing level of human interpretation and understanding of postings, you’re on the scrap heap despite your indignation.

Fair enough.
Anyway. What have you offered that is a fact?

[Hobbes' Choice]

Hobbes wrote:

Or if you insist; what is the ground of existence for this mythical conscious source of creation you propose?

God doesn't exist so needs no grounds for existence. God IS. Existence is a process always in change..

Duh!! You have just contradicted your self. And undermined what ever flaky position you think you hold.
If you want me to explain in more detail don't hesitate to ask. For now just go over your posts and see if you can spot your mistake.
You really need to take a look at yourself buddy.

[Walker]

Okay. See ya. Nick, you gonna man up as well?

Captain’s Log: Atheist tribal similarities to the Borg interchageablity.

Never mind, Nick. Walker wasn't able to either.

Your response was predictable. That’s why the power to end existence was not extended to you, though you leaped with hope to destroy like a fish to bait, like a junkie to the needle, like a destroyer for a weapon. Typical dalek response.

This is why as a rule, jesters are not entrusted with a thing’s (Walker’s) existence.

uwot’s response was also predictable. He had the chance to end the existence of Walker but got all tangled up in an ethics and intellectual weighing of the spheres which resulted in an inability to carry that responsibility within the context of all things considered, which was that specific situation. Speculation subject to probability: cash incentive would likely eased the burden to end an existence, like a mercenary or one paid to guard the faith of atheism, but that incentive was absent from the situation. Dalek's need no incentive, uwot's price is more muddled.

Of course now, that situation is history.

That’s a fact Jack, established after the event, predicted prior.

Oh yeah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bQnxlHZsjY

[Nick_A]

uwot wrote: It is not blind denial that stops people from believing in worn out Platonic nonsense. On the contrary, it is necessarily blind belief that allows you believe in things you cannot see.

The blind denier leaves themselves two choices: blind belief or blind denial. The conscious act of pondering or contemplation of the unknown is foreign to them. I find it sad but they feel this neglect to be a sign of progress. Curious!

[Hobbes' Choice]

uwot wrote: It is not blind denial that stops people from believing in worn out Platonic nonsense. On the contrary, it is necessarily blind belief that allows you believe in things you cannot see.

The blind denier leaves themselves two choices: blind belief or blind denial. The conscious act of pondering or contemplation of the unknown is foreign to them. I find it sad but they feel this neglect to be a sign of progress. Curious!

You are describing yourself. You blindly deny the truth of a godless universe.