The Absolute Impossibility of Nothingness - ever

[Dalek Prime]

Okay, now given that you have 10 cups with the random possibility of each cup having as many as 10 coins in it, what is the possibility that you have the same number of coins in all 10 cups?

Mathematically that would be (1/10)^10 or 0.0000000001.

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Did anyone else notice the mathematical errors in this? No. I was too busy admiring the lengths of the posts here...

The probability should be calculated as (1/11)^9. = 4.24 * 10 ^-10.

For there are 11 possibilities for the number of coins in the cups (0- 10) and you only need to multiply this quantity 9 times as it doesn't matter how many coins there are in the first cup as you are only comparing the number of coins.

If the author cannot get simple arithmetic right at the start of his thesis, it hardly bodes well for the rest of it.

[Lacewing]

Attention Everyone! For Dalek's peace of mind, limit your posts to only a few short phrases, and stop procreating at once!

[Dalek Prime]

Attention Everyone! For Dalek's peace of mind, limit your posts to only a few short phrases, and stop procreating at once!

I'm beginning to like you, Lacewing. Thanks for putting everyone on notice.

[Dontaskme]

Reality is a VERB all the way down to base level.

No, at base it has to be a noun.

Balance is the great leveller.

No idea?

We are born with minds that develop naturally to include a sense of separation (noun). Only the mind is born not you. You are the mind. We develop a separate sense of self so that we become conscious - we self-reflect. And within that consciousness, if we are curious, we can eventually uncover the baseline of no one aka pure awareness (verb), which is the eternal light source energy of all appearances including the mind made you (noun).

The noun is the appearance within the verb.

[Harbal]

Attention Everyone! For Dalek's peace of mind, limit your posts to only a few short phrases,

You know me well enough to know that I've got something of a reputation for doing that already.

and stop procreating at once!

I've got that one covered as well.

[Arising_uk]

We are born with minds that develop naturally to include a sense of separation (noun). ...

Nope, we're born in body that is seperate.

Only the mind is born not you.

I've seen a few births and never seen a 'mind' pop-out, body yes but 'mind' no. Self is there but doesn't become mind until other is recognised.

You are the mind.

No, you are a body with senses in an external world, that you have a memory allows you to make self and that there are others allows you to make an other of yourself.

We develop a separate sense of self so that we become conscious - we self-reflect. ...

Which sense of self are you talking about here?

And within that consciousness, if we are curious, we can eventually uncover the baseline of no one aka pure awareness (verb), which is the eternal light source energy of all appearances including the mind made you (noun).

To be aware is to be aware of something. Pure awareness is just the absence of being aware.

The noun is the appearance within the verb.

Appearance of what?

[Dalek Prime]

Since no one will reach impossible nothingness, please give me a call when and if you get to the other side to confirm? Please and thank you.

[Dontaskme]

We are born with minds that develop naturally to include a sense of separation (noun). ...

Nope, we're born in body that is seperate.

Only the mind is born not you.

I've seen a few births and never seen a 'mind' pop-out, body yes but 'mind' no. Self is there but doesn't become mind until other is recognised.

You are the mind.

No, you are a body with senses in an external world, that you have a memory allows you to make self and that there are others allows you to make an other of yourself.

We develop a separate sense of self so that we become conscious - we self-reflect. ...

Which sense of self are you talking about here?

And within that consciousness, if we are curious, we can eventually uncover the baseline of no one aka pure awareness (verb), which is the eternal light source energy of all appearances including the mind made you (noun).

To be aware is to be aware of something. Pure awareness is just the absence of being aware.

The noun is the appearance within the verb.

Appearance of what?

You have never seen a body except as an image of your consciousness. You are consciousness first and foremost. Your body is not the seer, your body is the seen,it is the looked upon.... the seer cannot be seen by the seen...it is the same one.

There is no reality outside or our mental functioning.

But, you can believe in your own ideas, that is your prerogative. I'm just positing my idea.

[Dontaskme]

Since no one will reach impossible nothingness, please give me a call when and if you get to the other side to confirm? Please and thank you.

There is no where but here - and you can't get there from here.

[Arising_uk]

You have never seen a body except as an image of your consciousness. You are consciousness first and foremost. Your body is not the seer, your body is the seen,it is the looked upon.... the seer cannot be seen by the seen...it is the same one.

Idealism is old-hat, no Body no seeing. You also 'see' your Body by 'feeling'.

There is no reality outside or our mental functioning.

So if I slap you upside your head you are doing it to yourself?

But, you can believe in your own ideas, that is your prerogative. I'm just positing my idea.

And thank you for that.

[SpheresOfBalance]

Typical selfish human tendency, to over exaggerate self importance.

Yes. You were self-important enough to continue your genetic line.

Woah there nelly, some things for many are 'simply' biological.

But I honor your choice to not procreate. Your a good human in this time, of overpopulation. Kudos go out to all you homosexuals as well!

So, you can't overcome your biology with your intellect? Okay then...

Yet it's only those of no intellect, that take your side of that argument.

[SpheresOfBalance]

You are exceedingly repetitious, "nothing can never 'exist!'" NOTHING IS DEVOID OF EXISTENCE!!! GET IT??

Just checking.
Uh Huh...

Exactly!! With 'nothing' there is no existence, Exactly! That you can't imagine it, is at issue here, nothing else. ...

You're right, complete non-existence is unimaginable do you now claim it still possible?
You confuse human inability with impossibility!

You also can neither imagine something from nothing nor infinite existence.

I can imagine something from something unimaginable, if by this you mean inexplicable.
Then you make my point.

I can also imagine something existing for infinity.
No you can't, though you wish you could, as it would take infinity to imagine it!

Surely something always existing, is diametrically opposed to everything never existing. ...

Not really as it'd have always existed and so no never existing or is this what you meant?
I was speaking of dichotomy. Both have to be true for either to be true.

And something can't come from nothing.

I thought you agreed that nothing is devoid of existence?
Exactly! Though it would seem scientists have reached a stand still.

The entire issue is full of the brain hurting inability to comprehend. That you and all others exclude nothingness, is simply because you believe you exist. But existence is just as strange as non existence.[/color]

It is, but this does not mean that non-existence can exist,
Never said it did

as it really can't as it's a contradiction.
No shit.

What can not exist is the current state of affairs.
Why you believe that existence is some constant is beyond me. That you believe you exist, is no proof that there can't be some void within which nothing exists. Neither you nor I know of the truth of our universe or the possibility of other containers such as this universe, yet quite the opposite. Which is just as incredible as all those things you use to explain this so called reality.

I've heard it from one of the leading Astrophysicists, not a bunch of wannabe philosophers here at the PNF. Sorry but I tend to believe those that would actually know about astrophysicists, namely astrophysicists.

Funny that as I thought you heard it second-hand from the telly?
A documentary on astrophysics complete with astrophysicists actually talking, and everything. As hard as that might be for you to understand! 'I heard it from the horses mouth!'

Now me, I've known a few astrophysicists and the only one's who have found a fear of 'God' were those who had 'it' with them in the first place.
Then they must be beginners at astrophysics like you are at philosophy. What astrophysics documentaries have they appeared in? Documentaries inclusive of experts in any given field of study being much like reference books on that subject. And no, your 'claim' does not impress me.

Yet you can't explain why there has to be anything in the first place. No one can! ...

Well philosophers can as Logic says that if 'nothing' existed as a thing then it would not be nothing and as such 'nothing' is a contradiction so cannot exist.
You seem to be confused again, 'Nothing' is devoid of existence.

You appear to be a closet godbotherer as you want absolute answers but are not interested in Logic?
No! I'm Agnostic remember, this is the shit I hate, wasting time telling you things I've already told you. Pay attention! Quite the contrary, I use logic exclusively!

As it's well beyond our horizon. A bunch of dumb monkeys treating each other and their symbiotic biosphere, on which their life depends, as they do, in no way can understand such things. The human race is far to young to grasp the truth of such things. Theories are all we can muster.[/color]

Accoridng to Philosophy theories will be all we can ever muster,
It's because we are so young, that they have said such foolish things, and that you have believed them.

is it because you are a closet godbotherer that this bothers you?
Already covered, read above, child!

No more so than you. So then what's the point, as they cancel one another out. It's just your means to 'believe' that you aren't one, (due to your fear), which in fact is false, if I am one. Your emotional self's means to fool yourself into 'believing' you are better than another. It's 'child's' play my friend, pure and simple. When you use such unnecessary redundant things as argument, it's your child speaking.

Show me these 'unnecessary redundant things as argument' as I think it most relevant about a person if they decry in others what they do for themselves first.
Not at all, if those that decry such things are attempting to remind one of such things, as their dialog surely indicates they have forgotten such things.

No, I know, that on those aspects of which I speak, we are the same, all of humanity. ...

For all humanity is it? How do you know this.
Education, of course.

That you make excuses, framing them otherwise, is your denial, for fears sake. Here's some lyrics from an Aussie band called "Unitopia." Obviously I'm not the only person admitting they know this, as evidenced by their lyrics. Maybe their method of saying it you'll appreciate more so than my venomous words. :[/color]

"...It's the way we live and die, in constant state of fear,
All we do is cover weakness, don't shed a single tear.
And every waking moment only serves to tell us why,
There's no second chances here..."
All many of us do, is still 'try and cover weakness,' at least I'm trying to grow beyond that. It would seem you're the queen of not. Keep in mind that I usually only respond in kind.

I find pop-stars and musicians not a great source of profundity in the main.
That they know as I know is not proof, merely, as I've already said, a means to let you hear it another way, as you seem to be having problems with my words. What you find or not is your potential bias override. Some have serious problems being honest, as it doesn't serve their purpose.

I could find you a billion other songs that disagree.
Find one!

Are you actually capable of putting two thoughts together. Or is it just your ploy to purposely not do so?

No, I just want to know what you mean by this term 'human'?
Here you go, to be kind I'll do the research for you:

"Modern humans (Homo sapiens, primarily ssp. Homo sapiens sapiens) are the only extant members of Hominina clade (or human clade), a branch of the taxonomical tribe Hominini belonging to the family of great apes." --wikipedia--

Got it now?

That you say this, your smoke screen of justification. By the way the title of that Aussie bands, (Unitopia's) song is "Justify." "All you do is cover weakness!" Denial!

Show me where bigmouth.
Ohh, "bigmouth," so I struck a nerve. It's your job to fix yourself, I can only report what it is I hear and see. Actually, with a message this long, I'm far to lazy to take the time to expound. Look back at our exchange to find it for yourself.

Your child again, rearing it's immature head!

Says the child who thinks 'elitist' a term of abuse.
But it is: "4. a person who 'believes' in the superiority of an elitist class." Which is how I use it. Never JTB, only ever unsubstantiated belief, like in your gods.

There you go again with your elitist ways. You are NOT 'the' measure of meaning, understanding or language! you are just like ALL the rest, my dear KIM. Namely, "a work in progress."

And again your insecurity allows you to ignore the meaning of what I say as deep down you think you are the source of all meaning and brook no threat.
Not at all, your little ditty represents those words of mine, which you quoted just above, more than it does your long winded version. It so obviously was your way of thrusting yourself to the very top ranks of understanding; OBVIOUSLY! For anyone to say that: 'the meaning of anothers words is the response they supply,' is so obviously the words of a conceited buffoon, that believes they are special, and can never be at fault, thus can only ever be seen as a means to convey ones superiority. That you now project your psyche upon me as if it's mine, is extremely laughable. Remember my little diagram I created, showing that misunderstanding, is exactly at the midway point between people, never on either side of middle. You're 'special' alright!

I'm not like all the rest and in fact all the rest are not like each other,
In some ways you're correct and in others you're not.

this is why language and meaning works the way it does and why it has been so useful to such beings.
Anyone's meaning, to be conveyed in their words, is only ever fully realized in the mind of they that formulate the words, and are never 'necessarily' to be found in another's response, though they 'may' be. Such that misunderstanding is always 'exactly' in the middle, between the people involved, never on either side exclusively. Even if the exact same language is being used, as experience can modify a words meaning, if only in the mind of the person that had the experience. Thus discussion is in order, long before one makes a hasty judgment, if they be wise.

And so have I, which makes no necessary comment on your psyche, rather you giving your time.

So know you know godfree's mind as well do you?
That he accepted your failings, realizing we are all flawed, has nothing to do with your and my interactions. Sure we are all flawed, but all I care about is truth, and I expect the same from you. So I have often told people what they cannot say, as the words they used contained falsehood, not truth.

Not at all, you have changed things in your own mind so as to "cover weakness."

I have changed nothing, as I think your interpretation is of the insecure elitist rushing around on their white horse defending those they think weaker than themselves against imaginary chimera.
Remember the lyrics? "all 'we' do is cover weakness..." See the "we," it is in fact all inclusive of all of humanity. Again you believe I throw stones at you exclusively, believing myself as somehow immune to this disease. I'm not. Again it's an FYI kind of statement for those that often seem to not understand that it's true of all humans. That they are above it somehow, elitist?

You are not superior in any way my friend, simply a parrot! I have yet to hear anything 'original' from you that would speak of you alone, not those that you can quote.

And yet I rarely quote anyone, whereas you love your links and definitions?
Touche! But see just below, your "parrotdom."

Because you have not bothered to study Philosophy, but think yourself eminently qualified to comment,
Did the very first philosopher study philosophy? Well then I guess that means that nobody is really qualified to speak on philosophy, because in the beginning, the first philosopher never studied philosophy. After all, a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. You're just envious that someone like myself, that you believe hasn't studied as long or in the same way you have, can make so many valid points. In truth, anyone seriously interested in philosophy, can study it everyday, observing everyday life. Or how else do you explain the birth of philosophy? What, your philosophy god spoke from the heavens giving the first philosopher the knowledge of philosophy?

you have not discovered the fact that whilst one's thoughts may be original to one this hardly makes them unique,
So what? In such a case it is surely a fact that they that have those original thoughts, are surely well suited for philosophy.

and in fact the study of Philosophy brings that home to one with a big bang, if one is actually interested in the subject that is, and as such, anyone who has qualified in the subject will not be bringing anything that original to things,
Maybe not wholly, yet maybe partially; incrementally!

rather what Philosophy Now is about is the application of Logic to things allied with what has already been said.
OK, yet I see that logic is only as strong as the truth contained in ones premises. Such that logical conclusions cannot always be counted upon. Some premises of the day, seemingly valid, might tomorrow be seen as invalid!

Not much use if you want 'absolute' truths, if you want those then Logic has them, but useful when others proclaim such things as empirical.
Humans do know some absolute truths, my friend. And in fact, there are absolute truths to everything, that we aren't currently familiar with them, does not mean they don't exist, or can't be, one day, realized. Why do the humans, in their time, always tend to believe that they've reached the pinnacle of human understanding? It's quite laughable, my friend.

Not true at all, how the hell can anyone compare apples to oranges as if they are equal? ...

And yet you just did this with me? Idiot.
So the idiot shall resort to calling another an idiot, idiot? It's not required, and counter productive! Are we dueling, is this a contest, do you feel that I've slapped you in the face, with a pair of gloves?
I did not compare mixed fruit as if it were the same! My point is that one that is fucked up in one area while not in another, cannot necessarily be compared to another, whose strengths and weakness's are exactly the opposite, as if one area is necessarily more important that the other. Further that there are plethora of areas that one can consider, that comprise the totality of any particular human, such that it's definitely impossible to come to universal agreement which totality is better or worse than the other. As there are far too many ever varying values amongst people to consider.

To then say which is more important. You can't, each are just as important, theirs your just. ...

Bollocks, anyone who is fucked-up knows from this who is fucked-up more and who less. Importance has fuck all to do with it.
Bullshit, one area of consideration, does not, the whole human make.

I have continually been the anti falsehood voice here. ...

No, you've continually been a false white-knight charging in to defend those you thin need your 'protection' and all in the name of a cobbled together psycho-babble theory from psychoanalysis.
No, you've just paid attention to those things I've done that piss you off the most, ignoring the others. Why you have the propensity to abuse others that believe differently than you is beyond me, you need to take a serious look at your assertion that you believe nothing is absolute, as it is totally a contradiction to your belief of superiority, on any matter, yes even the ins and outs of philosophy itself! You stroke yourself far too much, as if it's absolute. As you've said, it's not! What you term psychobabble is your denial in covering up weakness. To be expected from someone in denial of their fear.

And when I call attention to yours, you usually get pissed off and respond condescendingly.[/color]

Not pissed-off at all, as I find your premises nonsense.
Again, your denial, for fear! You find what suits you, what serves your purpose!

Only after you treat me with your condescending nature. Again I usually only treat in kind. The "degree" in which one is seemingly confrontational is of no consequence, as it has no necessary universal quantity.

And this is why I know you give two-shits about those you supposedly defend, as the degree in which one is confrontational is exactly of consequence in confrontation.
It went over your head. I said that there is no necessary accounting for the degree of confrontation, that there is no universal measure so as to account for degree.

No, rather the facade you portray. "All we do is cover weakness," for fear!

Try looking harder in your mirror.
I already know this, Kim, as I'm the one apprising you of such, it's you that needs to take notice, as you're the one that believes in no absolutes, yet you abuse others as if there are, and only you are aligned with them. Otherwise you'd make allowances for them, in a world of no absolutes. Your own diatribe is severely contradictory, sweetie! I know, it's those damn circular references, in those damn dictionaries, that's giving you trouble!

Funny how you cling to those things that you believe you know, when you don't.

Is that a bit like you knowing my sex?
What Kim? What did you say Kim? The Kim, that's sooooooooo worried about misogynistic behavior, that it's the first thing they bring up, in such a potential misrepresentation. Then there's the 'coming on' to males that I've witnessed. Who knows for sure, Kim? As the kinks said, "...girls will be boys and boys will be girls, It's a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world...?" You've definitely proven to me, over these years, that you're untrustworthy.

I've never been in therapy, though I have picked the brains of psychologists, psychology courses at university, and psychology books. But then you shall characterize it however it serves your purpose, almost always condescendingly.

Of course, and I characterize it as the dilettante, the worst product of a partial edumecashun.
Of course you do, as it suits your needs. God forbid anyone knows more than you about anything, right? Even those things that you've had absolutely no edumecashun in. Since you brought up edumecashun, you're definitely a master in it, right?

Godfree did not ask. ...

Yes he did, he asked what gave me the right to tell him that Philosophy had addressed his thoughts.
And I quote, not paraphrase:

Yes I thought so , you are on my thread to try and discourage me ,
to suggest that it's not scientific or proper philosophy that I present ,
like your the authority here , and an expert on these subjects ,
is your name AMod ,??? or where do you get the idea that your the judge ,, ...

A fucking BA(Hons) Degree in Philosophy and a MSc degree in AI is where I get my arrogance to judge you dipshit! Where do you get yours?

[/color]
You know what's funny? I see no mention of an astrophysics degree, yet you take that tone with him. You try and use your certs as a weapon to thwart all those in opposition of your belief system. In a human, non absolutely knowing universe, you're just funny that way!

Yet you still don't understand my point on this matter. I'm saying that the way you "use" your education is to FIGHT! NOT teach! You use it as a weapon to defend your "self" more than you use it to enlighten others. There are those here that obviously use their education to help others, they tend to be somewhat selfless. Ginkgo comes to mind, as one of the greats! There are others whose dialog of relative degrees, displays nurturing of other psyches versus defense of their own psyche. 'Obviously' for you, largely education is a weapon.[/color]

LMAO! And yet I've been a teacher. Show me a post of mine where I have not interacted civilly with those seeking to discuss things philosophically?
As if your way of discussing, is the 'absolute' way in which one should discuss! Above, Godfree never called you a dipshit, did he? Oh, I'm sorry, is that the way one should discuss things philosophically, Kim? Or is it that you just didn't like him questioning your authority? What authority? I see no mention of an astrophysics degree. You just figured you could easily bully someone of his inferior class, huh? If that's proper philosophical discourse, then I'm am alien from another planet!


This is a Philosophy forum, not an Academy.
This rigidness is very unlike your penis/clitoris, which is obviously almost always placid/non erect, which is why you stroke yourself so often. Napoleon complex anyone? And all in a world of no absolute knowing? You take the cake, my friend!

Even that is combative, to get a job, to feed yourself, to stay alive, are you kidding me?

Which bit of 'fell in love' didn't you get?
And I quote, not paraphrase:

I pursued it in the first place as I was an uneducated adult who was living in a time of recession and needed a bit of paper to get past the first round of employment vetting...

In other words, 'in the MAIN place...'

You use it as a weapon! ...

Only against those who think they can pontificate upon a Philosophy forum with no knowledge about the subject.
"no knowledge," Now that's pretty damn exclusive isn't it. As if you're the 'only' one here that's studied philosophy, to some degree. So where's mention of your PhD?

When the college counselors asked me what I wanted to major in I said, "Good question, I'm not sure." They then asked, "What career do you plan to pursue?" To which I replied, "I'm not attending college for the sake of making money, I'm here to learn of the world, to find the truth of things, (I had been thinking of philosophy though.)".

Was this before or after your career in the militarily?
After my 16 year US DOD job had ended.

So they said, "Then you should start with a degree in 'general studies' until you become more focused." I said, "that sounds great, sign me up." ...

did you complete it?
Knowledge gain is never complete. It was simply a two year degree. Of course I concentrated on philosophy, because it had many free electives. I attended for the two years, started on a third, when money became a problem! Does that somehow cause you to feel superior? Of course it was a rhetorical question as I already know the answer.

The only thing that matters to me is the truth of things, fuck everything else, I absolutely hate lies and liars. ...

You must hate yourself then, given you think you are one of these through fear?
Are you confused? As you words seem to trail off into oblivion. The red highlighted bit above makes absolutely no sense to me. I am absolutely no liar. At least not of any real consequence. Which is not to say that I haven't lied in the past, but those days are long gone.

So I piss people off!

I suspect you've always done so. Bugger all to do with 'truth'.
Never said it did!

Feelings aren't as important as the truth.

Well, not as important to the 'truth' that you think you hold.
That I know I hold, that you would say otherwise, your 'covering weakness.'

And they usually take it personally.

Dur! What do you think 'feelings' are?
"2. relating to, directed to, or intended for a particular person: a personal favor; one's personal life; a letter marked “Personal.”." Sorry Kim it's your fear of dictionaries containing circular references, I presume.

That's their problem, because the truth shall actually set them free, if they take it to heart.[/color]

Veritas liberabit vos eh! Or Die Wahrheit wird euch frei eh! I knew you were a godbotherer.
God, you are extremely dense! I'm an agnostic! knowing full well that neither side knows for sure that their side is true. Which gives me the freedom to draw from both camps of thought. I have found many early philosophers in religious texts. Jesus being one of them. That you exclude them for fear, shows you for the fool you are.

I have your child, your 'slight psychopath' hanging.

I'm calling the Police.
That you would say this, yet again shows your ignorance of a great many things. But I shouldn't expect you to know all of American sayings and their meaning, should I? The difference is that I don't go off half cocked if I don't fully understand a British saying, instead I look it up! And so I've trumped your immaturity yet again!

In truth your assessment of my psyche couldn't be less informed. It's ran by pure logic.

And you deny that there are absolute truths from Logic?
No, I deny that logic is flawless. Just like a computer, garbage in, garbage out!

The difference between me and others here is that they care more about friendship and getting along than the truth, I only care about truth, fuck peoples feelings! In that way I'm extremely honest. I can't be bought or sold because of my extreme allegiance to truth, fuck everything else, it doesn't matter. Only truth matters. So no NLP for me. ...

Your loss, as if you did you'd understand why your 'truth' is the issue.
Not at all, it's yours with the denial of that which would cause you to look at yourself critically, that's at issue. I'm fully aware of my flaws. And unlike you, I'm not afraid to voice them.

My solution has been to understand the why of my psyche as well as everyone else's; the reasoning, I have in the past, am currently and will, employ to address human life's situations.[/color]

And yet what you do is understand your psyche and apply it to everyone else's?
Not at all, but of course you would say so, for fear! There are things that all of humanity share, then there are things that ever varying groups of humans share, then there are things that are unique to individuals.

Seemingly missed my point.

Which was?
Pay attention, if you're actually capable, but as I've said in the past, your chopping replies away before the max aloud is reached, lends to your confusion.

My point was that I bet the way you carry yourself exudes arrogance, just asking to be humbled.

You project and your betting ability is up there with your gender intuition.
What, I've never been mugged, here in the bad assed USA, complete with guns and all. Must be either my humility or truth that holds them gunslingers at bay!

Notice that I've used your favorite color this time, just for you!

[Dalek Prime]

So, you can't overcome your biology with your intellect? Okay then...

Yet it's only those of no intellect, that take your side of that argument.

In your opinion, which mustn't be confused with a corollary.

[SpheresOfBalance]

So, you can't overcome your biology with your intellect? Okay then...

Yet it's only those of no intellect, that take your side of that argument.

In your opinion, which mustn't be confused with a corollary.

I'm beginning to think that this whole concern of yours, not to procreate, is because you're dick-less; your way of coping!

[Dalek Prime]

In your opinion, which mustn't be confused with a corollary.

I'm beginning to think that this whole concern of yours, not to procreate, is because you're dick-less; your way of coping!

Bet it hurts.