Welcome to Heaven...

[Jaded Sage]

If the kingdom of heaven is within man, then why do we think of it as being after death?

This immortality notion was a clever ruse devised by a shrewd adviser to the rich and powerful. If you're a slave-owning plutocrat then you've found the goose that lays the golden egg if you manage to convince your uneducated serfs that provided they're willing to put up with all sorts of hardship in their lives then they'll be rewarded by living in bliss for eternity after they cark it.

This might sound like a highly improbable story to a 21st century person but there was a time when ignorant people used to believe this sort of bullshit.

Why can you answer this question so well and not the one on worship. They are identical in essence. Maybe I worded this one better.

[Dontaskme]

And the real God is a magician..

Let me guess. More of him is unknowable and you are his little bit tool.

There is no God to be known.

All things knowable are knowledge which is fiction.

[Dontaskme]

In philosophy forums it may not be so unusual for 1+1 to equal 1.

Entomologically too insects don't wish to be stepped on by humans as well as the latter not wishing to have anything to do with insects. For those who are so attached it would ecstasy not to be which would be its etymological derivation.

Everything is consciousness therefore nothing is conscious.

[Obvious Leo]

Why can you answer this question so well and not the one on worship. They are identical in essence. Maybe I worded this one better.

I thought you were talking about booze. Drinking piss is a topic on which I can comment with the benefit of a lifetime's experience but I dumped the notion of worship as a boy so I couldn't see the connection.

[Jaded Sage]

Why can you answer this question so well and not the one on worship. They are identical in essence. Maybe I worded this one better.

I thought you were talking about booze. Drinking piss is a topic on which I can comment with the benefit of a lifetime's experience but I dumped the notion of worship as a boy so I couldn't see the connection.

Yes, I could have worded it better. I believe the answer is nearly identical. The point being that we must fix our mistaken notions of both. When we do it turns out the two are more related than you might think.

[Jaded Sage]

Everything is consciousness therefore nothing is conscious.

Captain Nonsense over here... lol

[Harbal]

All things knowable are knowledge which is fiction.

A meaningless aphorism dressed as some sort of wisdom but given away by a hole in it's pants, where it's arse is showing.

[Jaded Sage]

All things knowable are knowledge which is fiction.

A meaningless aphorism dressed as some sort of wisdom but given away by a hole in it's pants, where it's arse is showing.

Yes, of course, unless he is speaking figuratively.

[Harbal]

Yes, of course, unless he is speaking figuratively.

He's just being deliberately obscure in the hope that it will be mistaken for something too profound to be understood by the likes of the rest of us.

[Jaded Sage]

Yes, of course, unless he is speaking figuratively.

He's just being deliberately obscure in the hope that it will be mistaken for something too profound to be understood by the likes of the rest of us.

That's possible, but you are also jumping to conclusions. There's only one way to find out: ask him questions.

[Obvious Leo]

There's only one way to find out: ask him questions.

Tried that. Didn't work.

[Jaded Sage]

There's only one way to find out: ask him questions.

Tried that. Didn't work.

If they evade, you know they are a sophist (one who hides in what is not) and know they are full of shit. But beware: young philosophers look an awful lot like old sophists.

[Obvious Leo]

know they are full of shit.

I managed to reach this conclusion rather quickly on this occasion, for the very reason which you give. Anybody unwilling to subject their words to scrutiny and validate them according to the rules of logic needn't be taken too seriously.

[Dontaskme]

In philosophy forums it may not be so unusual for 1+1 to equal 1.

Entomologically too insects don't wish to be stepped on by humans as well as the latter not wishing to have anything to do with insects. For those who are so attached it would ecstasy not to be which would be its etymological derivation.

Everything is consciousness therefore nothing is conscious.

Consciousness comes online by observing itself; it does this using it's mind, an aspect of itself.You can observe yourself when you use your mind to think, you can observe your thoughts, the observer is the conscious aspect of un-consciousness.

Consciousness itself cannot be known, but the mind knows itself in that it functions like a computer, bringing back stored information, for you to use at will,(knowledge on demand) it is then up to you to find your own means of coming to a conclusion or not. If you reach a conclusion then, this alone is stored as your consciousness. Your reality is built purely on your own personal belief structures; the way you uniquely perceive yourself mentally. Anything perceived as real in daily life is made up of atoms, and atoms being light means that the real in daily life, which is believed to exist has to exist as an illusion of light and cannot have a real existence. Solidity is an illusion of our 5 sense limitation and not what actually constitutes the real which is only ever the swirling atoms of LIGHT forming intricate patterns we see as shape and form. Like a kaleidoscope that is both changing and unchanging simultaneously. The electromagnetic network that constitutes the backbone of the internet is what constitutes Consciousness being a human being. The mind knows itself as conscious fiction. The real consciousness can never be known by the fictitious mind story of my ''I''


The ''I'' can be known as story, but can never be seen.
Therefore to know your Self is to have knowledge; without the knowledge of you, there is no YOU

The real Self is unchanging Awareness. (unknowable)
The fictional Self is ever changing (known) by awareness. That which is known, cannot know, AS it is already known, by the unknowable, this indicates that all realities are purely based on fiction only believed or perceived to be real....as seen evidenced by the pure Light of Awareness.

Nothing is true so Everything is true_OR_Everything is true so Nothing is true.

Everything is the same as Nothing.

[Harbal]

That's possible, but you are also jumping to conclusions.

not entirely, my comment was also based on some experience of his other posts.

There's only one way to find out: ask him questions

Previous experience also tells me that this would be an unrewarding exercise. All I would get in return would be more obscurity, or meaningless drivel, as it is sometimes known. This would more than likely be followed by an irritating remark groundlessly claiming his success in emerging from the encounter in a superior position. In other words, he would just get up my nose and I would be left with nothing to show for it. Employing the analogy of trying to catch a greased pig would be an alternative way of illustrating what I am trying to explain.